>Broquest demo
I'm not seeing it.

where's the demo?

>>111281711

>All that progress

Is it time for the emperor of mankind to re-awaken?

By year 2050 we'll be able to download our minds into computers.

Think about it /v/. You won't need your biological body, your mind can exist in a virtual world in a database.

You will literally never die, living until the end of time itself in an artificial heaven. Why aren't more people discussing this?

>>111281905

Because then everyone is a robot and humanity becomes one giant machine.

>So /v/ has there ever been a more prosperous time for humanity?

the 90's

WHERES THE DEMO YOU NIGGER

>>111281905

i've been thinking about this ever since i've seen the cyborgs/AI in space station 13. i don't care if im bound by asimovs laws, being an immortal, nearly unstoppable robot soldier would be amazing.

11/10

>>111281711
Yeah, what with the currency we use being reduced to nothing and shit.

Imagine in about 20 years we will have a device that will record our dreams. You can see everything vividly and it only costs $100. You can show your dreams and nightmares to your friends for a good scare or a good laugh.

>TWGOK becomes an actual game

Then I'll be satisfied OP.

>>111282174
Sounds gay and shit. I don't like it. I want things to stay as they are.

999/10

>>111281711
I'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE MY FUCKING MOVIEEES YESSSSSSSSSS

>>111282253
Imagine having a sex dream about a hot chick you know. Then you can watch yourself in a porno staring said girl you want to fuck.

Just wait till shit gets all Deus Ex/Ghost in the Shell up in this bitch. Apparently there are scientist already working on augmented vision (They're not far from being able to connect it directly to your optical nerves. Which mean people that are completely blind could regain their vision.) and some neural implant that lets you interface with a computer with your mind.. Y'all niggas ready for all this future?

>>111281711
You got it a little wrong.

Those weren't recorded dreams. The test subjects were shown dozens of YouTube videos and then the clips from the video. It all were mixed up in the pictures of the thoughts.

You also got the second thing wrong. We know neutrinos since "forever" but a few months ago they were observed being faster than light. The scientists at CERN checked and researched everything until they were sure they didn't make a mistake. Then they told everybody about it which was two days ago.

>>111281711

>my waggy tail when

>>111282174
or fap. you forgot fap

what the hell is broquest?

He even looks like him.
Damn

bump for the emperor of mankind

>>111282349

>yfw you'll be at least 40 before any of this cool shit happens

>>111282349
By the Omnisiah that would be bitchen'.

>dat loner gunslinger

>>111282349

Oh, and here's Windows 8 booting in 2 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivx3W2ipdeI

The demo is a trolling attempt. The game will not have a demo for a while, but progress is being made consistently. I repeat, the claims of a demo is a troll and will continue to be until it says so on the main broquest page.

>>111282621
Fucking finally Windows has good boot times.

>>111282621
lol no

>>111282574
>implying with a prostetic body age actually matters.

Not a single person has correctly understood that brain imaging thing.
It's not science. It's art. What they did is basically unscientific.

>Freddy Mercury back from the dead
WOO! nother one freddie wannabe

>Scientists record dreams into videos
too shitty to be relevant yet, give it 20 years at least.

>Scientists find particles that move faster than light
still too early to get your hopes high, laws of physics still apply to us

>Broquest Demo Released
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

>>111282768
lol yes

>>111282925
lol. no.

>>111282837

Why are you so jaded, /v/?

Just download and play the demo, sure it only includes 8 of the characters and only act 1 but it shouldn't be hated just because of that.

>>111282824
im gonna take a wild guess here and guess you have never had any formal scientific training/study...

Finally, I can fap to my wet dreams.

>Scientists record dreams into videos

Up next, thought crimes.

>>111282621

Yeah, no. It's probably newly installed clean Windows. No way in hell Microsoft will code something that fast.

>>111283165

I believe it

But only because windows 8 is fucking terrible

>>111282837

You clearly didn't watch the video. This guy sounds EXACTLY like Freddie, and with training could probably surpass him.

I can't find the Demo is this a troll thread?

>>111283165

Well apparently the new Metro UI has graphics acceleration and everything. All the demos show it running really smooth and fast. Same goes for the traditional desktop too.

>mfw op trolled the shit out of me on the demo thing
1,000,000,000/10 you suave mother fucker

>>111283096

It's not direct recording, it's sifted through Youtube videos using some kind of algorithm. So unless your thoughts of sedition can be found in a Youtube video, you're safe.

>follow all of OP's links
>MFW

I don't think everyone appreciates the gravity of this dream thing.

If someone manages to lucid dream in one of these things, they can create their own world.

If this happens, we are literally only limited by our imaginations: we could create entire shows and movies with our own minds, and have this machine record them.

What interests me is what the limit of what you can do with lucid dreaming is: can we create animated characters? Will we need to, since we can defy the laws of this world? What about camera work, will that be possible from the person dreaming it? Lucid-dream film creator could feasibly become a real job, with people entering induced sleep to create scenes of a film in their minds.

Of course, the flip side of this: there's gonna be, like, a million video adaptations of Twilight fanfictions posted to "dreamtube". Still worth it, though.

>mfw when I heard about all this

youtube com/watch?v=wGcDpnxtqsc

That guy also did Bohemian Rhapsody. Fucking awesome.

On the topic of Bro-quest
What is the answer to the question for registering?

>>111283557

What do you mean?

>>111283303
Yeah because Freddie Mercury was just some vocalist.

Good point, anon. Let's get started with replacing all the other dead singers like Frank Sinatra, Michael Jackson, Billie Holiday, etc. You know because...lookalikes lol.

WHERE IS THIS DEMO GOD DAMNIT?!

>>111283768
This shit

>>111283851
Forgot picture

>>111281711
Fuck science

Mother fucking Freddy Mercury back from the dead.

Also, Freddy died 1991. This kid looks around 20ish. Reincarnation of Freddy?

>>111283905

"warrior friend" you piece of shit.

>>111283905

Enable scripts if you're using scriptblocker.

>>111283033

I'm gonna take a wild guess and suggest that you don't. I have a dual degree in human physiology and psychology.

That dream visualizer thing is art. Pretty much no real science went into it. You can't digest what fucking actually happened and look for key words because of your lack of education and comprehension. Your problem, not mine.

>>111284028
>human physiology and psychology

HAHAHA, OH WOW!

Come back when you studied something useful.

>>111283165
There's a small jump in the video. It's fake.

>>111284171

Yeah, sucks going to school for physical therapy, a career where i'll be able to work 25-30 hours a week and pull in 50k.

Get a degree then come talk to me kid.

>>111284028
>dual major in soft science

>>111283525

Why the obsession with lucid dreaming, these people watching youtube videos weren't dreaming, simply being awake and having a vivid enough imagination should suffice.

>>111284247
You know how conspiracies thought?

No, seriously, I'm asking you if you know. You're starting one right now and I'd like to know what it feels like in it's infancy prior to full tinfoil.

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>>111284336
There's your point. Money. You will never be of any scientific value. You will just grab your money and continue to do so. Your opinions are invalid.

>>111284340
I know it's like he really should have skipped college all together.

>>111284413
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>>111283525

there's a story by Asimov a little like this it's called. Can't remember it's name though

>>111284440
>You know how conspiracies thought?

What?

>>111284028

It's demonstrating that they can map the brain activity to a certain expected picture, sure they didn't build the images FROM brain activity, but it's still a scientific undertaking, they managed to match their "expected results" to the real world results, that's science mister.

>>111284340

>Majoring in hard science

Enjoy fucking hating your life while you look at numbers forever and get treated like shit by everyone in the world

Freddy Reincarnation thread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0gCPSa0t4E

Daayyyum
Somebody to Love is by far my favorite Queen song, and that dude kills it.

>>111284692

And yet there's no paper, no explanation.

Not science.

>>111284699
Nice attitude. I'm grateful as fuck not everyone thinks like you. We would still live in caves and hunt with fucking spears. Think about your post whenever you use some electronic device. Think about it when gravity breaks your fucking leg.

Why didn't you post the original video of Freddie Mercury's incarnation op?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dREKkAk628I

>>111284699
>hating your life
>400k

>>111282107
I stand by my opinion on this and also cloning and teleportation based on reconstructing your body from blueprint.
Imo in any of these cases, resulting "you" is not "You". What I mean is how your awareness and perception doesn't carry over. Even if person's mind can be quantified and digitized, it will be just a fresh copy living inside the Network with your personality and memories, technically not being you. You die the moment you step into the teleporter. You are disintegrated, taken apart atom by atom. And then your perfect copy is reconstructed on the other end. Other people will never, ever notice a thing. But you will die and new you will live.

>>111285083
>>111284699

My doctor wife doesnt hate her life, and I certainly dont mind staying home with the kid all day.

Hard Science: 1
Soft Science: -400k (student loan debt)

>>111284854
>no paper, no explanation

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982211009377

Of course its going to be the same if HE IS SINGING OVER AN ORIGINAL RECORDING, numbnuts.

Sagan
Hiddan
Never gonna be interested in your threads againan.

what the hell is broquest?

>>111285167

Medicine is a soft science dumbass

The only "hard science" are physics/chemistry/math

>>111285244

Biochemistry bro. Really helps getting into school. Med school is a cakewalk science wise.

>>111285220
>Didn't listen to the left channel
>Didn't listen to the original
>Is a huge faggot

>>111285244
The only real science is math.

>>111285139
And that matters because?

Rule 11

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>>111285346
Because I sure as hell am not going to kill myself in order for my backup to live in the Net. Just my opinion, man.

>>111285494

Which is?

>Criminal law degree with a psych minor
>Working as a criminologist
>Recently applied to the CIA, FBI
>Interning with a local prison in examining their mental state on the crimes they committed
>Testify in court based on whether or not I(or my mentor right now) believes if they would commit the crime or any crime again
>Loving life
>Already making 30k on an internship, no living expenses right now
>Salary for criminologist starts at 60k, works up
>mfw /v/ bitches about hard sciences while i'm making bank and loving the vidya i buy

>>111285531

It's a thought I have had, the most worrying thing is it's impossible to test for, you don't know that your life ceased until you try the teleporter and no longer experience anything, and your perfect clone who has all your old memories believes himself to be the one who stepped into the teleporter, and would proclaim that it works and that he was the one perceiving the world both before and after the teleport.

>>111285329
I blame op for being a fag and not posting the original.

ORIGINAL

LISTEN TO THIS ONE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dREKkAk628I

>>111285735

/v/ just hates soft sciences because they never went to college and think hard sciences are the only useful thing.

>>111285494
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

its on BBC news

deal with it

We Freddy Mercury now

Also this.
<---

Great time to be alive man.

Does anybody have the college degree tier list?

>mfw i'll be in med school next year

I want to specialize in PM&R, working with patients with prosthetics.

And one day augmentations.

>>111286087
>implying mind reading isnt 10X better than shitty hand-based computer input

Ill be enjoying my neural vidya, have fun with your plastic joysticks

>>111281711
>Freddy Mercury back from the dead
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhkfk8EBsI

>>111286406
thats the point, that hand crafts are only popular because of gimmicks like "scissors"

>Freddy Mercury time travel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGcDpnxtqsc&feature=related

checkem'

>>111282329
This is sadly the first thing I thought of when I read about Mental recording. Fuck.

>>111286263
OK...I jelly

>>111286406
>rock
>paper
>scissors
SHOOT
>read his mind and know what he's gonna use

What about nuclear reactors the size of a suitcase?

http://news.discovery.com/space/mars-colonies-powered-by-mini-nuclear-reactors-110830.html

No

Augments coming soon, fellow stalker!

FUCK ITS A GOOD WEEK TO BE ALIVE

WINDOWS 8 BOOTS IN TWO SECONDS
DOMINION ALL WEEK
FREDDIE FUCKING MERCURY SEEKS THE BODY OF A MORTAL MAN
DREAM MOVIES ALMOST A REALITY
TRAVELING FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT

Fucking A.

i wish people would quit fuckin saying this dude sounds like freddie.

he has a great voice, and he's very talented, but the sound of his voice is completely distinct from freddie's, and he's not as good either.

again, he sounds great, he's very talented, but he doesn't fucking sound like freddie. open your ears, plebes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGcDpnxtqsc

>>111287675
>Calls us plebs
>Doesn't understand basic grammar

>>111281711
The future is coming, fast.

Prepare yourselves.
This is only the beginning.

>>111287675
lol sounds like /mu/

>>111287979

grats on double singles.

now fuck off with your stupid shit.

>EP3 still not yet released

>>111288179
So you say.

Or is it?

Who cares about voice. Many people have a good voice but they will remain irrelevant for all their life. Why? Because they have no talent. Having a good voice is no talent, it's sheer coincidence.

So yeah, this guy is a copycat, nothing else.

>>111288330
>jelly
Seriously, he had better fucking win this comp and go tour with Queen.

>>111282621
but windows 8 is just 7 with a tablet interfase

also that's probably a SSD

Dear god.

nobody really cares.

Could this be the next step?
/v/ only caring for VIDEO GAMES?

>>111288461
and a terrible start menu, that you have to go into the registry to get back to normal

even still you're forced to go to that god awful menu if you accidentally press the windows button instead of holding it down.

Plus it corrupted my windows 7 files, even when i used a new partion.

and my friend who used a pirated copy of 7 had several messages telling him his copy was not genuine copy and gave him the 30day key shit. Meaning it scanned his pc to do this

windows 8 confirmed to be vista 2.0

>People think the human race as a whole will ever advance far enough for any of these ideas in this trend.
Little to much faith in the human race there don't ya think?
We'll end out killing ourselves off before we do anything good for ourself.

>>111288950
"One step forward, two backwards" seems to best describe Microsoft's history.

>>111288179
>list of things that happened before EP3 came out

>>111285735

>>60k
>>Making Bank
>>Buys house at 350-400k
>>Enjoy wage slavery

>>111289004
>implying there isn't gonna be a group of scientists who are gonna survive the bullshitting and then prceed to fix society.
dude, the scientific community really doesn't give a singular shit about society as a whole, at all.

they will sit in their bunker labs and not a single fuck would be given.

>>111288950
how exactly are you testing windows 8? the only thing I have seen so far are windows 8 developer testing tools. surely you cant base you opinion on beta tools not even intended for the public

>>111289004
I'm certain we shall overcome our current problems.

We have to.

>>111289379
they released a free public dev. preview

anyone can download it

Queen sucks shit.

>>111285139
>>111285531
>>111285746
WE ARE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH HERE.


Yes, teleportation or GITS style cyberization would just result in a doppleganger that claimed the technology worked as advertised and would probably believe it did.


They would be no different than rachele in blade runner who has all the same memories as tyrell's niece.


The only possible way to find out if you really DID die when using one of these technologies would be to experience it yourself.


Obviously this is just too much of a risk since you couldn't trust the testimony of anyone else who had experienced it.
also: to paraphrase Doctor Manhattan "a live human and a dead human have the same number of molecules in their body"


There's no guarantee you would even survive the trip. A lifeless corpse might just flop onto the floor on the other side of the teleporter.

>>111289434
>>111289379
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home/

>>111289462
we'll do it how its always been done
test it on death row inmates

>>111289336
>>111289423
I do hope you guys are right.
I'd like to see us advance into great things and such.. but ya'know..
We shall see...

>>111289527
Are video games compatible with it?

>>111289461

i wish you were dead. so there.

>>111289224
In all honesty, a lot of us hard science researchers don't make a lot either.

BUT IT'S FOR THE SCIENCE

>>111289434
yes but its a pre-alpha version of windows intended for developers, its irrational to complain about the UI

>>111289562
Actually WE may not.

As we will probably not live long enough.
Hopefully there will be some progress in out life times.

>>111286263
Haha holy fuck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6R5bm6qx2E

>>111289581
so far i've only tested bc2 and fallout new vegas on it, but yeah they ran like they do in 7.

It's the same OS with horrible designe changes to make it more tablet friendly and i as well as most regular pc owners i've talked to who tried it hate it.

try it yourself and make your own opinons

>>111286263

Good luck bro, just remember to do as much research as possible. When my wife went on residency interviews thats all they asked about. Pretty much got her the MD residency of her choice even though shes a DO

>>111289623
True

>>111289795
Our*

>>111289718
I don't feel like reformatting right now.

>Freddy Mercury back from the dead
No he's not, it's just some kid who doesn't even look like him that has a voice similar to his.

>Scientists record dreams into videos
It can only compare videos to brain activity right now. It is a step in the right direction, but it's no-where near what people think it is.

>Scientists find particles that move faster than light
No. Stop believing this bullshit. They did an experiment and the results, TO OUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING OF OUR UNIVERSE AND THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, say that the particles should only be able to do this by moving faster than the speed of light. That, is impossible though, and the scientists know it. They've made it clear they're trying to figure out why they are getting the results they got, not trying to prove that the particles can go faster than the speed of light, which they said is crazy.

Please stop buying into sensationalism. PLEASE.

>>111289718
that version of windows 8 is tablet friendly because it was released to help developers make applications for tablets running windows 8

>>111289964
/g/ regular here. You should expect Metro to be part of the final product, possibly more integrated than it is now. Microsoft has been saying for a very long time they want a unified experience between phones, tablets, and desktops. The only reason the old UI exists is for legacy support.

>>111289941
and we should believe you because? except for the first thing, of course that guy isnt really freddy mercury, but obviously he sounds like him, freddy was known for his voice so having his voice is almost like being him in the public's eyes

>>111289867
you could away use a partion, but be warned it may fuck your shit up'

but honestly if they dont do some serious overhauls, i will stick to 7 for as long as i can.

>>111289964
sorry but no, just watch that keynote video that someone else posted ITT, the tablet(metro)interface is here to stay. Tablet or mouse and keyboard that's what you WILL boot into and the first thing you will see when you log in no matter what you have it installed on.

Microsoft is designing it to be the universal OS

I want to do something to help the world.

But I have no idea what to pursue.

>>111289941
>It can only compare videos to brain activity right now. It is a step in the right direction, but it's no-where near what people think it is.

So could this be used for thought-based search algorithms?

>>111290143
always* sorry it's late and i need to go be more aware of my mistakes.

please excuse my bad grammar

>>111289941
1: He looks like him kind of.

2: You're down playing it.

3: Completely fucking wrong.

Stop talking.

>>111290113
I am not saying they will exclude the tablet interface for the final product, just that it wont be default for desktops/laptops

>>111289941
shit nigga you suck
i am out

>>111290275
watch the video posted in>>111282621'
No matter what you have it on, it will be the utilized the same way

>>111289941
>That, is impossible though, and the scientists know it. They've made it clear they're trying to figure out why they are getting the results they got, not trying to prove that the particles can go faster than the speed of light, which they said is crazy.

HOLY SHIT you idiot.

Relativity theory

That's right, THEORY.

One more time, theory.

Understand?

>>111289941
>which they said is crazy.

Many people called great scientists crazy for their accusations.

>>111290401
Jesus fuck, you're retarded

>>111290393
uhhh that video just shows it booting fast

>>111290460
Wow great rebuttal.

You should think about being a debater.

>>111290481
sorry i ment this post >>111282621>>111282621
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHujE6DdrA&feature=player_embedded

as i said it's late

>>111290135
>and we should believe you because?
What the fuck? What am I proving here? The information I stated is all part of the fucking news that's being released to the public.

>Think about those 18 million seconds of random videos as a painter's color palette. A painter sees a red rose in real life and tries to reproduce the color using the different kinds of reds available in his palette, combining them to match what he's seeing. The software is the painter and the 18 million seconds of random video is its color palette. It analyzes how the brain reacts to certain stimuli, compares it to the brain reactions to the 18-million-second palette, and picks what more closely matches those brain reactions. Then it combines the clips into a new one that duplicates what the subject was seeing. Notice that the 18 million seconds of motion video are not what the subject is seeing. They are random bits used just to compose the brain image.

>>Notice that the 18 million seconds of motion video are not what the subject is seeing. They are random bits used just to compose the brain image.

The "brain image" videos are just a mash-up of existing videos. This is still pretty damn cool, but not nearly as cool as if they were raw rips from the mind.

>>111289541
You don't understand brosef.


Those inmates will THINK it worked. But in reality the inmates we get back are just dopplegangers who have all the same memories as the person who was teleported or cyberized.


They'll be totally convinced they shot a man 4 times over a drug dispute. It's likely that none of them would even comprehend the idea that they are just an exact copy of a person who no longer exists.

>>111290401
That, is impossible though, and the scientists know it. They've made it clear they're trying to figure out why they are getting the results they got, not trying to prove that the particles can go faster than the speed of light, which they said is crazy.

>impossible
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

>the scientists know it
I'm almost positive you have down syndrome.

>not trying to prove that the particles go faster than c
You're right. They're not trying to prove it. They HAVE RECORDS OF IT HAPPENING. Records which have been checked and re-checked.

I would totally give my life up in a second to get my brain transferred into a computer and live virtual paradise forever.

>this thread

>>111290658
As for the speed of light.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

>But the group understands that what are known as "systematic errors" could easily make an erroneous result look like a breaking of the ultimate speed limit.

>That has motivated them to publish their measurements.

>"My dream would be that another, independent experiment finds the same thing - then I would be relieved," Dr Ereditato told BBC News.

>But for now, he explained, "we are not claiming things, we want just to be helped by the community in understanding our crazy result - because it is crazy".

Right from the scientists themselves. No scientist worth his salt is going to try to turn over GR and SR just because one set of experiments doesn't agree with it. There is FAR FAR FAR more supporting evidence that SR and GR are, for the most part, right. You'd need a lot more than neutrinos to prove it wrong.

>>111290401
You don't seem to know the difference between a theory and scientific theory. Go back to highschool.

>>111290266
>2: You're down playing it.
No I'm not. They say what it fucking is right in the article.

>3: Completely fucking wrong.
See the first section of my post.

>>111290734
>checked and rechecked

Source

we chibis now

>>111290658
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/471786.stm
Also cool.

Not disagreeing you're right on that.

Who knows about the light thing. Science proves itself wrong all the time. Not buying into sensationalism, just sayin.

>>111290758
Um, sorry, scientific theories must be falsifiable.

You pretty much stated the opposite.

>>111290758
>
Right from the scientists themselves. No scientist worth his salt is going to try to turn over GR and SR just because one set of experiments doesn't agree with it. There is FAR FAR FAR more supporting evidence that SR and GR are, for the most part, right. You'd need a lot more than neutrinos to prove it wrong.

thats not how theories work. theories are usually taken as fact because after exhaustive testing they still hold true. the moment a test disagrees with a theory (assuming the test was done properly which they are still looking into) then the theory is false

You guys remind me of new programmers

>My program isn't working
>I can't find the bugs, IT MUST BE THE COMPILER'S FAULT AND NOT MY PROGRAM

>>111290689
i meant moreso the dead on arrival part
the death and rebirth of your molecular state is something else

>>111290734
>I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
Anything ANYTHING with mass cannot go faster than the speed of light. It's that fucking simple. Guess what neutrinos have.
If it was so easy to say they're going faster than the speed of light then the scientists would not be *ASKING FOR HELP*. Yeah that's right, they even said that's why they went public. They know this can't be right so they want others to help them find out why they get the *RESULTS* they got. The results don't prove anything. Fuck, they don't even know if it's an error or not, which they also said themselves. (See: >>111290758).

>>111290868
And? Just because it needs to be falsifiable doesn't mean that you need to throw it out when one thing doesn't agree with it.

who exactly are you talking to and how does this analogy relate?

>>111291080
>ANYTHING with mass cannot go faster than the speed of light
Except we have LITERALLY just fucking RECORDED that happening.

Theories are meant to be broken, that's science.

>>111291006
>the moment a test disagrees with a theory (assuming the test was done properly which they are still looking into) then the theory is false
No, that's not how it works. In fact it's not how it's ever worked. This isn't the first time something hasn't played nice with the laws of physics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_information_paradox

For us average people. http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/string-theory-and-the-black-hole-information-parad.html

>The problem with this is that quantum mechanics is built on the idea that information can’t be lost. If information can be lost, then quantum mechanics isn’t a secure theoretical structure. Hawking, as a relativist, was more concerned with maintaining the theoretical structure of general relativity, so he was okay with the information being lost if it had to be.

>The reason that this lost information is such a major issue for quantum mechanics once again ties into thermodynamics. In quantum mechanics, information is related to the thermodynamic concept of “order.” If information is lost, then order is lost — meaning that entropy (disorder) is increased. This means that the black holes would begin generating heat, rising up to billions of billions of degrees in mere moments. Though Leonard Susskind and others realized this in the mid-1980s, they couldn’t find the flaws in Hawking’s reasoning that would prove him wrong.

>>111291006
>thats not how theories work. theories are usually taken as fact because after exhaustive testing they still hold true. the moment a test disagrees with a theory (assuming the test was done properly which they are still looking into) then the theory is false

This is why they published. Right now they're not certain, as there could easily be an error in their experiment. Once they get consistent results from multiple independent parties we can start to say "Oh shit, it goes faster than light".

>mfw we'll all finally know what a dog dreams about

>>111291221
Obviously more confirmations would help strengthen the whole thing, but this is proof, you can't deny that.

>>111291164
No, they recorded SOMETHING happening that suggests that such a thing is occuring, but the scientists DO
NOT
KNOW
IF
THAT
IS
ACTUALLY
HAPPENING
OR
NOT

Do I need to say it again? THEY DO NOT KNOW. THEY HAVE SAID THEY DO NOT KNOW. THEY HAVE SAID IT COULD BE AN ERROR.

And again, you know why they went public? I won't even tell you, I'll just fucking quote them.

>"We wanted to find a mistake - trivial mistakes, more complicated mistakes, or nasty effects - and we didn't.

>"When you don't find anything, then you say 'well, now I'm forced to go out and ask the community to scrutinise this'."

Aka
>We don't know what the fuck is going on and we need more help.

>>111291006
>the moment a test disagrees with a theory, then the theory is shown to be limited and/or incomplete

Fixed that for you. It's not like we don't already know about other conflicts.

>>111291485
Christ, this. Why do people want to just throw everything out on a fucking whim?

>>111291208
>No, that's not how it works. In fact it's not how it's ever worked. This isn't the first time something hasn't played nice with the laws of physics.

but hawkings idea that information is lost in a black hole isnt a fact, we have no way of testing it. its basically his idea around a problem, it shouldnt even be considered a theory and many physicists dont agree with it

Maybe you people who remark about the theoretical possibility that a particle could move faster than light should realize that before relativity and quantum physics there was only Newtonian laws, which were horribly flawed and thought to be the summary of all physics. Science is a process and what we know now is not the endpoint of its timeline.

That something indicates something else, perhaps do to an observer effect, does not instantly mean it is wrong. They will attempt to see if they can prove the theory using negation, but if that fails it will surely need a more complex and profound re-examination of physics as it is now.

I've been listening to Queen non-stop since reading this thread.

>mfw something good and positives comes from /v/

I like how you just assume it was dreams. and you just assume they found some special particle

seriously did you read either of those articles you drivelling cunt?