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Daily cyberpunk thread
Console cowboy reporting in.
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>mfw my phone has most of these functions
Post some music guise
why is the voice changer on his ankle?
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Because the best way to hide is to stand out as much as possible
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Actually, it makes some sense. Most surveillance systems are purely automated these days and that's bound to become more the case. Do you honestly think the NSA and your run-of-the-mill spaghetti corp is going to manually look through the millions of photos and videos they aggregate daily? Come on, anon. Compliance with the systems at large accomplishes jack shit. Take responsibility for your data. Anything less in my mind makes you no more than a child deserving of a nanny or an existential nihilist who's yet to kill themselves. >>40029669
Healthy reminder to install the XPrivacy module using the XPosed Framework; https://github.com/M66B/XPrivacy#description . Since pretty much every smartphone and a growing number of laptops no longer have physical wifi togglers be sure to spoof your MAC address when out in meatspace. Software is placebo; yadayada.
I'm down for this thread. who's pumped for that new cyberpunk game coming out next year
>tfw too lazy to parkour
2020? Can't wait
My hair is getting pretty long, I may have to try that out for a bit.
>wow cyberpunk so cool
>lets do parkour
>not actually being tech savvy
Only just got into cyberpunk lit, after reading the Sprawl trilogy and starting the Bridge trilogy I have way too much hype already.
I need to just completely ignore all coverage until it's out and it surprises me by being good.
What would a modern deck look like?
I don't really imagine jockeys using anything posted in the battlestation threads.
a netbook and a pringles antenna
oculus and some acid
or oculus and hypnosis like in lukyanyenko's books
btw anyone knows how the fuck you navigate through metaverse in snow crash? Only peripheral is goggles, how do you actually move? There was no mention of brainwave control or anything like that.
Maybe you tilt your body like old people playing Mario Kart
btw lukyanenko's take at cyberpunk, the cover is deceitfully cheesy. It's slav to the utmost, but good piece of writing nonetheless. More like snow crash than neuromancer at that.
but you know, Hiro rides a bicycle or jog around the IRL while doing shit in metaverse. Also, the goggles are semi transparent so you can look through the projection. It baffles me how this was overlooked. He just goggles in and does swordfighting in there, while eating noodles IRL. I mean HOW?
It's a story about a brain virus where the main character's name is pronounced "Hero Protagonist"
And you're worried about that?
Well, it's probably an embedded EEG that reads impulses from various parts of his brain, and interprets them as commands.
That's how those crazy wheelchairs and videogames work.
I have not read those books yet, still working through Virtual Light.
I was trying to come up with an effective interface for a Google Glass/Occulus Rift type computer which would allow standard operations but without you looking like a cunt. Basic idea was registering movement of your fingers with various modifiers but I hadn't really fleshed it out far enough. So using it you would just look like you were tapping a tune on your leg or whatever but were actually 1337 haXing your terminal.
Is cyberpunk someone who combines the ideals of /fit/ and /g/?
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Is Johnny Neumonic based off any book? I think that's a great cyber punk film.
I don't see where /fit/ would come into it. More like /g/, /sci/, /diy/ and a little bit of pre-2006 /b/
But you can't be a cyberpunk if you can't even climb over fences.
Short story by Gibson>>40035908
But the fence is in the Matrix
>>40035841>Is cyberpunk someone who combines the ideals of /fit/ and /g/?
A cyberpunk is a technofetishist dystopian.
Cyberpunk storytelling usually revolvs around uncovering that which pretends to be wholsome and good as evil, or at least impossible without great evil. (think Metropolis)>>40035891
That dolphin though
except all it took from Gibson's story was the title. And some of the main idea, but not even whole plot, setting or characters. I mean how do you do something set in sprawl and take Molly out od it?
That movie still leaves me tiny bit upset.
But you still need to be fit to run away from the guards/police
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>>40035834>tapping a tune on your leg or whatever but were actually 1337 haXing your terminal.
That would be awful.
Most netbook keyboards are bad enough.
but the neckbears!
>>40035976>I NEED a COMPUTER!>I NEED to get ONLINE!
Just laugh about it.>>40035995
Just have hidey holes planned out if you can't run that fast/long.
I'd say more /g/ and /fa/
Yeah a bit like that except the interface was your hands specifically not your leg. I had the idea that it could record finger position from regular typing and then base it off of that but lacking tactility and imperfect touch-typing would be a major drawback. You would however be able to use any keyboard you came across which would be kinda cool.
So I think some other form of control than keyboard would be needed. Precise finger movements in 3d space aren't really feasible so you'd be limited to like 20 or 30 buttons max, maybe analogue inputs I dunno.
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Is Snow Crash worth reading?
That would be really awful to use.
A lot of it seems out of date because Neal Stephenson came up with the avatar in worlds concept and what is essentially second life.
Some of the theories about the Sumerian Civilization were blatantly wrong but fun in the story.
well, I suppose it's OK. The further you read the zanier the ride gets. Not the best cyberpunk book, but worth reading nonetheless
Ahh yeaaaah, MIGHTY FINE!
>>40035235>tfw too fat to parkour
BCI is the future, man.
>>40036352>tfw too vertigo for parkour
The guy in the photo though, surely he wouldn't be very hard to track at all, just get a computer to look out for faces with a lot of blue
Yeah probably, still a ways off for decent control though. I just want something between keyboard and 'trodes. Touchscreens need not apply.
Brain Computer Interface?
How long until that actually gets good at all? Every implementation I've seen of it, for consumers at least, was clunky, gimmicky shit. It makes me think that we won't have any kind of SAO-like virtual reality helmet without having brain implants or something, which is so horrifically dangerous that it's a bajillion decades down the line.
/fit/ goes with everything, but here it would probably be part of parkour as well as /asp/.
/fa/, /g/, /diy/, /sci/, /pol/, and pre-2006 /b/, maybe /k/ and /o/ depending on surroundings.
From what I can remember, non-invasive BCI is pretty limited. Due to signal strengths and such you can only interface with stuff going on near the surface of the brain and a lot of the more interesting stuff is deeper in.
This was the case last time I heard anything about this as well.
I read they implanted devices to enable BCI deeper in the brain in some paralyzed patients, but they would have to reimplant them in pretty short intervals, because they make neurons around them detoriate very quickly, rendering probes useless.
there is this neuralwear thing, like those brainwave nekomimi headbands, and that one PC game controller that consists of a band measuring brainwaves. Whilst crude and intereting only binary do/don't inputs this might be some start.
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wedges with pop up lights, got that but>/sci/, /pol/, /k/
cyberpunk? how so?
/pol/ because despite what your opinion on them is, they are pretty heavy in conspiracy theories and conspiracy is a major element of cyberpunk fiction. Governments run by a ruling elite in the shadows and whatnot. Dunno much about /k/ culture though.
/sci/ for the obvious, /pol/ for the anarchism, mega-capitalism and other -isms, /k/ for innawoods and off/under the grid living; occasionally weaponry as welly.
sick .jpg, OP.>tfw only ever watched cyberpunk movies
what are the best cyberbunk books to start with /g/entlemen?
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Neuromancer, Snow Crash, Mirrorshades and Bruce Bethke's "Cyberpunk!"
see if you like it, then other Gibson and check other stuff yourelf.
You may also want to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kue_gd8DneU
if you read some of neuromancer and don't like it, don't let that autist gibson turn you off the genre. He may have been the founding father of cyberpunk but that doesn't mean he was good at it.
also, if you're into /a/ stuff
GITS, alita/gunnm, dennou coil, eve no jikan, bubblegum crisis and too many others to list them all
I knew Neuromancer would be the top recommendation. Downloading to mobile disk now... My favorite cyberpunk/tech-noir movies/animes: Bladerunner, everything The Matrix, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Minority Report, Dredd, TRON, RoboCop.
Thanks for the recommendations and video /g/uys.
Why do you say that? Are there a lot of far-fetched ideas in his works?
I'm not sure if you're baiting or what. I know that literature is obviously subject to tast, like everything, but Gibson was more genuine than Stphenson, for example, who in afterword admits blantantly that at the time of writing he only had a vague idea what is a computer and how it works (which is explainable and acceptable within certain boundaries), yet continued to promote ignorance as a good basis for writing fiction.
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it's not the ideas but the shitty writing. He goes on and on about details of the most insignificant things and you end up waiting for him to finish describing a particular hue of neon and for the story to start again. He has great ideas but is a shit writer. Come at me bros.
he must just dislike Gibson. At least he tries to give his ideas some aura of plausibility, whereas others often don't even try.
Isn't Key the Metal Idol cyberpunk as well? Also Akira and Serial Experiments Lain.
I suppose you don't read too many books at all. Or you only read Dr. Seuss, who desn't go into too much detail so you are sure you follow the story, right?
>>40029511>laser pointer>4oz video cam>hassle people in dark places and post it on Youtube
Hues of neon? Go on...
Gibson was awful at characterization. Every individual populating his worlds read like they were created by an edgy 14 year old.
>he's the ultimate badass so he has no facial expressions and wears a suit everywhere
>he does drugs and hacks computers all day erry day he's so kewl
>she's a ninja with sunglasses built into her eyeballs and she works as a hooker too she's so hot
>>40037477>key the metal idol
don't know that one>akira
supposedly so, but I'd argue it's more in the vein of pure sci-fi with some metal fetishism, body trauma, much like tetsuo the iron man>lain
definitely, slipped my mind
This is what I'm trying to emulate, but not that actual fashion. I remember trying to go lunarcore to be cool, and thinking GNU/Linux is superior to *BSD, awful times.
Glad 2013 is over with.
New era with a less silly mindset.
Or perhaps I don't suffer from severe autism to the point where I enjoy descriptions of scenery more than reading an actual story? Have you read the sprawl series? Read it and tell me with a straight face that he doesn't overdo it with the scenery detail.
The Unknown unacredited prince of /o/ on his Thinkpad
What is lunarcore?
Ok, since this is getting posted multiple times: I am a programmer, and have actually worked with face recognition (not for anything interesting or nefarious - just a phone app to adjust people's faces), so I came across CV dazzle. Please read the paper before going and styling yourself like a dipshit. It's complete bullshit. None of the makeup patterns actually fool the face detection available in OpenCV (i.e. an old, freely-available face detection algorithm). The only "style" that fools the detector is one in which a large amount of hair is in front of a person's face. So, yeah, in the same way that putting a paper bag over your head "fools" a face detector, CVDazzle fools a (shitty, old) face detector. It would take me a few days' effort to set up a detector to pick out people wearing stupid haircuts like the ones that fool opencv.
what is edgy for us was super badass and cool in the 80 apparently
in snow crash, if you forgot, MC is called hiro the protagonist. He is a badass nigger samurai hacker who delivers pizza for a living. 80s man.
>>40037530>But here the mirrored zuggurats down Lazara Cardenas flow with the luminous flesh of giant, shunting out the night's barrage of dreams to the waiting avenidas--business as usual, world without end.>The air beyond the window touches each source of light with a faint hepatic corona, a tint of jaundice edging imperceptibly into brownish translucence. Fine dry flakes of fecal snow, billowing in from the sewage flats, have lodged in the lens of night.
to some extent yes, but stephenson made his characters 80s level badass through actions more than just describing them as such, which is what gibson did a lot of the time.
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How would you call a combination of cyberpunk and lovecraftian mythos cultist?
Lunar is cool af nerd get real
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Oh I forgot to mention that stealth wear stuff can be done pretty easily provided you or a friend have decent sewing skills. Grap a couple emergency thermal blankets off of amazon and sew them together in the shape of whatever clothing suits.>>40036393
But these are facial recognition systems; blurring out the face entirely leaves the software with nothing to work with. cvdazzle does the same thing but differently. With the guy in the photo some cameras have IR filters thus invalidating its purpose entirely.>>40037538
Well, the same could be said about Stephenson.
Snow Crash: ninja pizza deliveryman shoots guns and studies neurolinguistics with a badass Sonic-skateboard courier in post-national USA.
Diamond Age: Badass girl incites a riot in post-scarcity Shanghai and learns about AI; an Victorian gentleman leads the next scientific revolution via sexual orgies.
Cryptonomicon: ENIGMA and Bitcoins.>>40037567
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Dressing like a poor faggot traveler in space.
It seemed cool at the time, and maybe it will be in the future. But for now, nah.
Snow crash was boring. You guys are fags.
read it a couple times actually. If you have so severe trouble following the writing through parts that bore you it's you who have a problem, not me. I liked it and breezed through the book each time.
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Stop believing in that makeup bullshit.
yeah I know I know anunemus iz leegun but wear a mask if you don't want to be recognized by facecams. Also, gait recognition is now a thing so good luck walking differently too.
*What I was trying to emulate.
Ye maybe if you're cosplaying as Han Solo ya nerd LEL
tell me that isn't evocative as fuck
Oh man, I would be too self-conscious to use pants like that. I mean, wearing them would be quite embarrassing, but not half so much as fiddling around near your junk in public.
>>40037697>wearing a mask in public is illegal in some places, and many public places will not let you walk in wearing a mask>not constantly having pebbles in your shoes to throw off your gait
Get on my level, conspiracy friend
>>40037697>wear a mask if you don't want to be recognized by facecams
Most places won't let you wear masks, especially indoors.
Looking like a faggot is perfectly legal, though.
Gesaffelstein is dope but Aleph was pretty mediocre.
Either way, I want paranoid schizoid anti-government surveillance urban hacker theme to be effay.
Oh well, at least you get to keep all your teeth.
it's like I'm seeing this, my imagination is stimulated. What's there not to love?
>>40037784>reading books made for children written by Doctorow
/fa/ is a pretty weird place.
Tumblr ruined it for me :^(
Really fucking sucks, and I have a huge hard on for glitch art and glitch music; hope they don't ruin that too.
Brah, you're posting on /g/
We're all faggots in our own special faggot way
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except looking like a faggot will only accomplish that: looking like a faggot.
If you don't want to get identified by the cams wear a scarf or go full muslim.
It's a bunch of nerds dressing like Monoliths, space warriors, urban ninjas, and young Japanese/Koreans.
Yeah let's go back to Geocities
Haha yeah, I wouldn't want to dress like THAT.
What, how did I mess that up? Anyways meant dark, drapey ghosts from Harry Potter or some shit.
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>>40037607>None of the makeup patterns actually fool the face detection available in OpenCV
http://vimeo.com/34545311>The only "style" that fools the detector is one in which a large amount of hair is in front of a person's face.
So.. mostly all of the styles currently shown on the project's page.>It would take me a few days' effort to set up a detector to pick out people wearing stupid haircuts like the ones that fool opencv.
Do it, anon.
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>>40037838>calls anon out on reading a book>getting the reference that you'd only understand by reading the book
My mom told me I was a funny one.
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>>40037916>dressed like monoliths
Sweet video, thanks anon.
ah you meant muh gray layerings
Too niggerish for my tastes, anon.
>>40037880>go full muslim
...is there any religion calling for guys to wear that shit?
I think I feel an epiphany coming on
I'm tired, and I was thinking of that Monoliths & Dimensions album, and how Sunn O))) dress in black robes, and black robes look like gothninja, and that's what effay likes.
Whatever techwear master race; 1000% practical for any situation.
All while coming with a price tag of several thousand dollars!
Techwear is a great concept, but it is in no way attainable on any significant scale that would allow it to penetrate mainstream fashion and streetwear.
This will prevent us from attaining the "style" of cyberpunk, as people will simply continue to wear uggs, yoga pants, and north face sweaters.
The concept pieces are expensive but the diy aesthetic isn't.
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>>40037607>have actually worked with face recognition (not for anything interesting or nefarious - just a phone app to adjust people's faces)
lol your opinion is worthless
That's my point. If you're willing to stick a bunch of shit in front of your face, obviously it won't get detected/rec'd. It's like saying you've fooled a face detector by hiding behind a parked car. There's less stupid, obvious shit you can do to hide from an algorithm. Put on a cowboy hat for Christ's sake. In half the US that's a common thing anyway, and you won't look like quite so much of an idiot.
I mean, if you want to do this, be my fucking guest, but you're not exactly going off the grid. Imagine a court appearance: "Mr. Johnson, do you recall the defendant entering the parkade?" "Yes, he was the genius in two-tone facepaint. I remember him clearly because HE WAS WEARING FACEPAINT AND HAD HAIR SPIKES IN FRONT OF HIS IDIOT FACE."
And no, I'm not going to spend 20 hours making, then publicly releasing, something that helps the wrong side. Jesus.
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>>40038269>want a DIY look>paying through the nose for it
just learn to sew, it's not fucking hard
Oh reaaally? Because I was writing machine learning code in C, which can be called from the phone apps. Does your pythonista ass still look down on me? Huh? Speak up, bitch.
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have some djent rap metal then.
OpenCV is babby's first video input library
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Yeah but I'm pretty rich and I don't wear 20+ clothes or whatever, I have an extremely small wardrobe.
Keep it simple brah.
Sorry, aesthetic is not what I meant. The practicalities of the fashion are not expensive, just appropriately reflective materials.
>>40035235>tfw too self conscious to go outside and climb all over people's shit, or even mine and have my neighbors look at me like I'm some giant retard fag
I want to learn ;_;
That's fine, and a small wardrobe is something to herald, but the point remains; the fashion is out of reach of too many people to ever go mainstream.
However, if a large enough portion of people would start wearing it, and it becomes the new "goth ninja", then clothing companies are sure to emulate at lower prices, bringing with it availability.
I used to do parkour when I was younger.
It's shit alone unless you are preparing to impress your frineds later. When you are with someone, or better, with a group, you fall over each other to show off who's better. That way you push yourself to make harder and more dangerous runs.
Without that testosterone driven competition parkour would probably be pretty boring.
wtf did I just watch?
There are much worse things you could read
It's not one of the best books out there anyhow
Being Cyberpunk is suffering. I constantly have to explain to people why I wear jewelry made of RAM.
start to climb, and build your strength
go jogging and get in shape for long distance running, do a marathon or something
that should take long enough
youd better reply with what you think is a good book then
>>40038536>the fashion is out of reach of too many people to ever go mainstream.
The only way I can stay a special snowflake brah! But it would be nice if the market widens with more producers; some nicer stuff would definitely come about.
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Don't climb over other people's shit. You'll look like some crazy guy on drugs. Someone will think you're there to rob them and shoot you.
Somebody get Rick onto it. Can't wait to cop signal jamming Geos
Asimov Foundation series
It's THE sci-fi book
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>Things will never go totally to shit
>The Government will never outlaw programming because it's "too dangerous in civilian hands"
>You will never be a member of an underground revolution
>You will never pass around copies of the Linux Kernal, TOR, GCC, and PDF copies of SICP and K&R on USB thumb drives
>You will never be fuckbuddies with a super hot corrupt cop who supports your little revolutionary group
Is it bad I actively wish for huge disasters so this kind of shit can happen?
I know it would suck IRL but it just sounds so fun as a concept
Problem is that Rick's sense of "quality" differs from general techwear's "quality", that quality doesn't necessarily include durability or strength.
Strange, but that's what happened with broad words like quality.
not edgy enough for me, besides this is a cyberpunk thread - post cyberpunk would also be accepted
e.g. the windup girl - give it a go it's like going on a sex trip to Thailand
I was mostly joking but I would love mainstream designers taking influences from the work.
If it manages to filter down to the mainstream then that solves the problem of>follow that jerkoff with the blue face-paint and metallic hoodie
It's okay brah, it's a better idea in the mind anyways.
>>40038822>>follow that jerkoff with the blue face-paint and metallic hoodie
topkek, I've always wanted to full nxtlevel techwear but I would be way too out of place for it.
>>40038436>OpenCV is babby's first video input library
...and it defeats CVDazzle. How does that invalidate my point? Are you agreeing with me in an offensive way, or are you just completely fucking retarded?
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It's worse than you think already
Just don't dress like that when you're doing your super illegal cyberpunk pen testing recon and you have nothing to worry about.
I remember playing Deus Ex one time, and smoking a pack of cigarettes in-game, then repairing the damage done to my lungs with nanomachines. Now THIS is cuberpunk!
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working on my cyberpunk emma watson
trying to find a good face mask
Almost forgot about Deus Ex.
focus on adding access to augmented/virtual reality, what's the point of covering the mouth?
I just program shitty scripts for my browser and other very small projects to git good at programming in C and [spoiler]Lisp[/spoiler], I-I'm no hacker.>>laughinggirls.jpeg
>>40038322>but you're not exactly going off the grid
The goal here is to circumvent facial recognition systems, anon. A cowboy hat isn't going to stop that nor masks and helmets for long due to shitty laws and the growing ubiquity of free speech zones. Are you implying that the best way to circumvent surveillance is to blend in? See >>40033443
; you're acting like some 1970s conservative complaining about punks wearing tight leather jeans, studded denim jackets and mohawks. Granted I wouldn't really style my hair that way either but if it works I see no problem. >>40038854
Except it doesn't. Those videos I linked to suggests otherwise.
I'm imagining some fat, middle-aged security guard sitting half-asleep at his desk in front of some CCTV monitors. All of a sudden there's movement on a screen. It's some dumbass with blue hair and face paint walking like a retard down the hallway. He stops at the vending machine, breaks it open, and starts shoveling all the cheetos into the pockets of his cargo pants. He then moves on to the next vending machine and does the same with the mountain dew, before getting out a can of spray paint and writing a message on the wall: "install gentoo". The security guard is laughing so hard he can't see straight.
This is a pretty good parody of johnny mnemonic
>>40039050>stabs himself in the leg before leaving to fool the gait tracking algorithms on his home journey
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Actually it's a thing
pic related from johny mnemonic
We have come full circle so many times I'm getting a headache.
>>40039049>implying automated surveillance is the only thing you're trying to avoid
In many places you go, there will be some white male Christian baby boomer in a suit and tie telling security or loss prevention to keep a close eye on that weird dressed teenager.
Blending in is how you avoid detection. Do you not think automated systems will flag things that stand out?
>>40039205>Do you not think automated systems will flag things that stand out?
you overestimate what current AIs are capable of doing with regards to object recognition
You want to be cyberpunk?
Start building. You can get wifi routers with 10 miles of range for $90. Build our network.
I was just thinking about this and was wondering if smart meters could be hacked to be used for a mesh net. I know they don't scale well but it seems like a possibility. I was trying to research the bandwidth capabilities of them and it seems to be about the speed of 3g cell phone.
>>40039286>in rural Canada
Agreed, read neuromancer and despite the story beeing good, it was pretty tiresome.
>>40039286>in Northern Scotland
Isn't charles stross doing this? A Colder War is short and fabulous.
In rural canada you can use normally illegal amplifiers for further range. You can also build your own towers
Isn't current civilian technology supposed to be 10-20 years behind what's available to the military or NSA? I'm not trying to say that the security cameras at Bob's gas station in Bumfuck, Wyoming go anywhere but to a VCR in the back room though.>>40039286
10 miles with clear line of sight and no interference. A pair of ~30dBi directional antennas in the 5GHz band is certainly possible.
What the hell is this? Is it internet for the masses or something? Or is it just some sort of underground network.
I have some pretty power wi-fi antennas that can easily broadcast a signal for miles. But I won't add them to a network that exists for retarded reasons.
>tfw you will never be guided by rich and his family
>>40039286>help build the NSA honeypot for hackers
>>40039394>What the hell is this? Is it internet for the masses or something?
It's a separate Internet. IPs are generated cryptographically, and the software takes care of itself, you just have to give it a list of nodes and it will figure out everything else by itself.>>40039411
All communication over cjdns is encrypted. Every packet.
This still relies on someone connecting to the internet the old fashioned way, right?
hahaha top kek
captcha: liberatori auaryuri!
>>40039445>This still relies on someone connecting to the internet the old fashioned way, right?
Nope. It's perfectly possible to use physical infrastructure, it can even use raw ethernet frames instead of TCP/UDP/etc. The most common setup is wireless nodes linked together, with one of them linked to the internet to get to the other cities, however the goal is to get rid of those internet links by having enough physical infrastructure
not bad...not bad at all
>>40038906>2014>being unable to open that file
And note, you can use it on anything you can get packets over. You can use HAM radio if you have the licenses and equipment needed to use HAM radio. This is all the software you need to build our own encrypted internet
Why not just link to the main website instead of the shitty wiki? The main site actually explains what meshnet is.
The problem is that anything going across an ocean requires either undersea cables or satellites, both of which require government involvement right now, so at most it'd be a medium sized local WAN.
that's a reddit run pipe dream there is a german one that actually has a network established. It's like radio free wifi or something.
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my nigga; join up on socialno.de if you haven't done so already. http://hyperboria.net/>>40039425>All communication over cjdns is encrypted. Every packet.
But it's not anonymous, though. It's a trust-based system. You can connect with someone by visiting #cjdns or #hyperboria on EFnet I believe.
>>40039563>But it's not anonymous, though. It's a trust-based system.
That's true. Friend-of-a-friend network
>>40039563>my nigga; join up on socialno.de
I don't have a connection to Hyperboria yet, I'm gonna get a VPS in Dallas and start looking for peers. I have one in Seattle, but that would make my meshlocal slow
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I realized how how primitive the internet used to be
lmao these kids are funny
You can get across the oceans with HAM. As long as you get get packets over it, cjdns will accommodate
But can you do it reliably, at useful latency and throughput?
How long would it take to send a jpeg over HAM radio? Like 56k tier, or would it be quicker to just phone the author and get him to mail it to you?
Honestly, I realize it's a pipe dream, I don't expect physical overseas connection, but I do want to see cities having their own meshlocals and linking them together, even if it is over the internet
God data transfer over HF is so slow. Going back to ISDN speeds with that.
Why not do both?
good shit, there's something special about the old school sites.
I know this isn't /a/, but are there any decent cyberpunk animies?
I've watched Ergo Proxy, 10/10 would recommend.
Cyber City Oedo 808
Serial Experiements Lain
Soon the average person will have the materials available to make a decent BCI.
way to shit up the thread. Why dont you start posting pictures of my little pony too?
Going from making your own mesh network to discussing cartoons... fucking asshole
HAM packet radio is usually on the order of 1200bps. That's 1.2kbps.
>>40040002>all this mad
It will all be okay, Anon.
>>40040002>doesn't like someone's CYBERPUNK RELATED post >complains about said post, mentioning le fuuni horse may-may
>>40038642>tfw don't know anybody else who can teach me parkour, or at least learn with me
Aside from videos from the tap brothers, are there any other references to learning parkour?
We could use more midwestern nodes. There was one in St. Louis a couple months ago but my connection with him has been shotty at best. Good luck and see you there.
Thread is nearly a year old. Oh gosh, is it always like this on slow boards?
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no, but you can just wear a scarf if it's winter. If it's summer you just look like you are about to kill some infidels.
I'm in Baltimore I guess I can make a node here.
Isn't it excellent?
/po/ and /t/ had some 5 year old threads for a bit, /e/ had some birthday thread that lasted 3.
/jp/ had a 2011 thread up until moot's weaponized invasions.
>>40040268>one person could flood the entire board with shitposting threads and everything would get deleted
I don't know how 4chan's backend works, but moot could probably undelete threads by changing a bit in the SQL database.
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Yep; there's a certain charm to it. Smaller communities often have a knack for quality; patience rewards.>>40040268
Oh man I remember when some cunts slided off those threads. Sad day.
>>40040373>Smaller communities often have a knack for quality
This is why I want to migrate to another *chan (for quality reasons), but no others can compete with the fast paced nature of /g/.
Where is the perfect medium?
I think there's some cool stories to that effect. I'm just waiting for the cult of Cybercthulhu to show up in real life.
Small IRC servers. You get the rapidity of /g/ with the quality of a small community. If you have an old DOS machine and an ISA ethernet card, check out http://rubbermallet.org/ and grab RockIRCd. It'll run on a 4MHz XT, but only up to 15 concurrent users.
And of course if you have a Linux machine, or even an openwrt router, there are plenty of modern IRC servers without that limit.
These, still my favorite animu.
How's this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx0PerbW_EE
I don't understand why I need a DOS IRC client?
Do you even cyberpunk?
Oh right. I completely forgot that's what this thread is about.
Modern day cyberpunk is i2p and meshnets.
Well then Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is a classic.
If you're in for the bells and whistles and not hard sci-fi, yes Snow Crash will satisfy you. It's got more flourish than substance.
>>40037310>everything The Matrix
The first Matrix and the Animatrix are probably the best out of that franchise.
Reloaded and Revolutions are mostly crap.
Reloaded was alright, it had some good scenes in it and a great soundtrack.
Revolutions was complete shit other than the fight at the very end.
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>>40037411>He goes on and on about details of the most insignificant things and you end up waiting for him to finish describing a particular hue of neon and for the story to start again
The problem with most mainstream scifi is that it ends up either being a wishlist of gadgets, or what amounts to being just an outline of cool ideas for a set of novels that were never actually written (see: Asimov's Foundation)
>>40037697>so good luck walking differently
Put some sharp rocks in your shoes
>>40041389>see: Asimov's Foundation
heh yeah pretty much.
I liked them sorta for that reason though, it got the ideas across ("what if x?") without making you read 900 pages to develop it.
>>40041344>letting the corporations track you>cyberpunk
this, a hundred times over. So many authors spend pages upon pages navel-gazing with exposition about their world, to the almost total exclusion of the characters and story.
I much prefer when the author tells you fuck all about the world and you must infer everything from context. Realizing half way through that the main characters height is measured in microns makes the revelation all the more effective.
Writing sci-fi is no different than writing non-sci fiction in that manner. You need believable characters in an intriguing situation that develops.
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What is some good cyberpunk movies/shows to watch?
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Could you upload your dump folder when you're done anon?
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Except for the buildings above, this is pretty much a modern city>We're close
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Neo Japan 2202-3.jpg
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When are we gonna have GitS/Deus Ex level augments?
Is she a /g/entooman?
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not bad, although some of it is random pics which happen to have the same color scheme
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>you will never be important enough to care about encryption
>you will never have good reason to use tor/i2p
>you will never use black/green themed obscure linux distro and wear black hoodie
Sure. In about 30-40 minutes. Maybe more.
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These wallpapers need to be 1920x1200
The one by CDPR? I thought it'd take longer.
cyberpunk lifestyle and ergonomics never go in hand, am I right?
What about making a bunch of tiny solar powered boat robots with built-in mesh routers?
Man, cyberpunk is rad. But it's fantasy. Please don't try to make it exist in the real world. At least not yet. It's like when you see people trying to manifest steampunk in everyday life. It's a really cool alternative reality/thought experiment. But it's not real life, and you have to deal with that.
I own a boat. It's a tiny sailbot, but I feel it at least makes me qualified to reply.
No. the sea wrecks shit. Saltwater fucking hates everything. And if you're on the surface, the waves/wind want to wreck you. Everything in the sea is there to fuck your shit up. You won't be able to make these things durable for cheap, nor keep them from just washing ashore in places. Also solar power is yet another huge expense. Sorry :(
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Huh, this appeals to me more than the OP image.
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I would disagree.
I imagine future setups would conist of a full back/headrest seat, tilted back at 125 degrees, with multiple monitors hung from the ceiling facing down towards you.
There was also a really cool computer chair that essentially gives your back perfect "standing" posture, and uses your knees to rest on the seat. It was wierd looking.
Post-cyberpunk, on the other hand, is increasingly becoming just contemporary fiction:
Honestly I think your steampunk analogy doesn't quite fit. Where the former is rooted in escapism to worlds that we will never see and are all too impractical, cyberpunk and post-cyberpunk are embedded in near future science fiction. It's only matter of time before these books become more contemporary than not. Technological progress is moving so quickly nowadays that authors like Charlie Stross refrained from publishing a third book in his Halting State trilogy because the concepts portrayed in it had already become reality. >>40043175
Oh, I was just about to link you that.
Is there a subgenre that deals with the more mystical aspects of space and the soul crushing loneliness?
Off the top of my head all I can think of are "Moon" and "The Forever War". There doesn't seem to be a well-defined subgenre for those themes.
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Moon is actually what came to mind when I asked that. That movie is the fucking shit. I really like 2001 (that movie had a somewhat mystical feel to me) and Sunshine too. I'm also about to watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1541874/?ref_=ttpl_pl_tt.
Whiney white men who take existential nihilism too seriously.
Just listen to NIN's With Teeth in a dark room all day.
Looks interesting, but>5.6/10>>40043471
>>40043448>I really like 2001 (that movie had a somewhat mystical feel to me)
It is from the golden age of pseudo-mystical scientism (with an ironic sprinkling of dualism)
it seemed like engineers could do _anything_ if we could only figure out the maths.>>40043540>>>>/tumblr/
That's literally it.
It's probably the most productive kind of angst though.
We figured out the maths, but not the economics, or the politics. The engineers pulled their weight, but SF authors overestimated the average human in their mid-century predictions.
That we still have people trying to undermine the teaching of evolution in elementary schools is one thing that generation of writers would never have considered. On top of that, they wouldn't have imagined an environment where the likely reply to my last sentence is a sarcastic "wow so edgy *tips fedora* well said good sir".
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It's weird though because that's not how I look at it. I see it more as humanity embracing it's future and venturing into the unknown but the loneliness is just something that accompanies the adventure. It's a testament of human willpower and our primal deep-seated urge explore and learn.
Has anyone opened this?
I think I did fully. I just got a lot of pictures of cheese pizza.
Is there a list of must read cyberpunk novels?
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Still building, so yeah. Here's what I have thus far.
>>40043662>That we still have people trying to undermine the teaching of evolution in elementary schools is one thing that generation of writers would never have considered.
Most scifi authors are optimists.
Even the most cynical cyberpunk authors have secret fantasies about selfish hackers finding some bigger meaning and saving at least a small municipality, if not the whole world.
On that topic specifically; always expect 'radical' conservative reactionaries to pop up whenever anything changes.
It's just gotten more traction than during previous generations due to the media's hunger for ratings.
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This.>regulating current/future technology with medieval mentalities
>>40043662>That we still have people trying to undermine the teaching of evolution in elementary schools is one thing that generation of writers would never have considered
religious extremism was present in neuromancer. The first act's cover was to blame the attack on religious fanatics by broacdcasting the signal via their satellite
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>>40039050>"According the video evidence, the suspect shown here, dressed as a clown robbing the vending machines late last night."
I'm pretty sure autonomous seagoing robots are, or rather can be, very much different from sailboats.
>>40044112>regulating current/future technology with medieval mentalities
Fuck the neoreactionary mindset.
So with these threads daily, we pretty much just jerk off about how cool it would be, what lit to read, and what movies/anime to watch.
The social problems that come with cyberpunk as a literary genre are here today. They crazy next-level high-tech-low-life culture isn't quiet visible yet considering how cheap and easy it is to acquire a blackbox-tier consumer electronic device.
I'm asking, what are some cyberpunk things you can do today? Come on /g/, come up with some true cyberpunk stuff anyone can do right now, and keep that as a list to add to every time we have one of these threads. Ideas below.
People are starting to dabble with cubesats although I'm not sure how effective those would be.
>>40044329>sees thread>posts without reading it
I've had this thread open since it started.
Aside from parkour, there's been nothing else recommended (unless you count styling your hair like a mad-man).
extensive discussion about mesh nets, fuck even the post above yours was about it...
I think actually doing the things /g/ says are good to do - running only free software, encrypting all communications, having your social network mostly consist of I2P/Tor contacts - are pretty consistent with the cyberpunk ethos. Add in repurposing cheaply available consumer technology to subvert or undermine the establishment - building mesh networks out of WRT54Gs and DirecTV dishes, mining cryptocurrencies with your graphics cards and using them to procure goods and services, picking up a cheap Android phone and de-Googlifying it - and you're pretty much there. All that's left are mind-machine interfaces and then you're ready to go ride your crotchrocket through a perpetually dark and rainy city while executing some nebulous plot on your subverted Google Glass headset.
but will we get to fuck molly?
When you demonstrate value, conviction, and confidence. Case wasn't a shut in nerd, he was an active and competent participant in a technocentric society.
Actually, did he ever fuck Molly? I can't remember.
I never asked for these feels, bro.
We were talking about mesh networking! We were talking about our own encrypted internet! That's cyberpunk
>>40044464>mining cryptocurrencies with your graphics cards and using them to buy speed and have your parents killed because they wanted to kick you out of their basement
Yeah, not long after his surgery
I agree, we all should be doing that, but lets be honest here. Most of us use windows, facebook, google stuff ect.
Sure free software is nice but nobody gives a fuck enough to support linux for anything useful.
>>40044872>for anything useful.
So, spreadsheets and DRM video games?
We need to start these threads off with a more resource and "journal" approach.
First post should link to resources, and the following should be people posting what they've done. How they've taken a laptop, installed trisquel on it, convinced local friends to start a meshnet, degoogled their phone, and got a gang together to do parkour. Local get-togethers to go out and stick flash drives into walls would also get some fun stuff rolling.
People need to see that others are getting into things seriously, and then they'll be more encouraged to join.
It would be a "Thinkpad Thread" approach. OP posts info, proceeding posts are always "this is what I got, and this is what I installed on it" type of thing that has shown to be successful enough to maintain these threads daily.
>>40045013>and got a gang together to do parkour
Why with the parkour can't I just roller skate
>>40044464>picking up a cheap Android phone and de-Googlifying it
Better yet, those $12 throwaway Chinese phones
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This is very reminiscent of the "Hacker Culture" threads that occasionally pop up here. Some of them are in the archives so you shouldn't have much of a problem.>>40044329
Circumvent meatspace surveillance by
-DIYing your own irhat; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOH9XhsP3iI ,
-Dress like a more fashionable juggalo; http://cvdazzle.com or
-Grind up some thermal blankets, make a solution and dip your clothes in it to become invisible to thermal cameras; http://ahprojects.com/projects/stealth-wear
For your smartphone use
-the XPosed Framework w/ XPrivacy Module,
Android App: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android
-StartPage (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.startpage.mobile) or DuckDuckGo (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.duckduckgo.mobile.android)
-Use custom roms like paranoid android or cyanogenmod
-Spoof your MAC address constantly if not get a faraday cage in the form of a phone case to use to block wifi signals entirely; ie https://offpocket.com/
Contribute to the following projects:
Pretty simple things. I'm missing a lot but I was summarizing the shit mentioned in this thread sans media.
>>40043678>It's a testament of human willpower
Haha, oh Dog this shit is good.
Don't worry. Your childhood can't catch up to you in space.
Is this on purpose?
Something I've been thinking would be neat to talk about on /diy/ is how one might use homemade memristors along with other components that can be made without a clean room to implement artificial neural networks and other circuits out of found material, which could be useful if trying to hide or avoid using components with built in restrictions and tracking. Haven't really done much actual electronics work, though, and I'm hesitant to make a thread about something unless I have more to say than "wouldn't it be nice if".
Mall culture always wins.
what exactly is this
It's basically just routing software that takes care of itself. Makes it easy and feasible to build another Internet, except secure and decentralized and naturally scalable
It's pretty much the idea of creating a new internet that is ran by the users instead of ISPs.
that sounds pretty cool actually.
Yes, if only because it is the prequel to Diamond Age, which is one of the best post-cyberpunk stories out there.
reminder the protagonist in neuromancer is an antihero and not someone you're supposed to look up to or want to emulate
Check the /lit/ wiki, I'm sure they have something like that. If not, inquire.
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looks like somepony is a fucking party pooper