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38 KB Hulk v. Broly Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:40 No.4222093  
Alright /v/, attempted to think out a Heaven vs. Hell a bit here.

Let's go with Broly vs. The Hulk, a battle of two beings who can pretty much keep getting stronger ad infinitum in much the same way.

Hulk's comes from his anger, and will grow stronger the angrier he gets, with no discernable top level as many comics have shown us. Broly doesn't necessarily have to be angry for his power to increase, but it speeds the process up. Basically for those who haven't watched any Broly stuff, once he goes Legendary SSJ, his power just rises continually. Which is why he is so feared and controlled, because it doesn't really have a cap. If he is left alone as a LSSJ for like, 40 years, his power will grow and grow and grow for 40 years. The problem being, his power doesn't grow slow at all. During the course of the movies, it becomes a thing where they can't drag the fight out because he'll become stronger than all of them in short order and really be unstoppable. His rage against Goku for shit only speeds this up, so they have even less time to beat him.

So, between Hulk and Broly, how would the fight go down? Hulk and Broly both have a sort of plot armor'd "that should have killed him, but since it made him angrier/took some time it didn't actually kill him" Both's power will just get bigger and bigger as time goes on. Assuming of course Broly did something to make Hulk rage forever like kill his wife by skull-fcuking and Hulk...I dunno, slapped him when they were in crib together as babies or some shit.

Hulk'd probably win, because Broly is certainly killable, he just has to pretty much do it before Broly starts ramping up. Then again, same might be said for Hulk.

Thoughts, /co/?
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:40 No.4222098
Brolly. His power is maximum.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:41 No.4222108
in after his power is maximum
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:42 No.4222123
Depends if Broly decides to kill him in one shot or not.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:43 No.4222138
I'd rather see a broly vs superemo prime

power at maximum vs nerdrage that would cower satan
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:44 No.4222155

Wow, a meme I've never actually heard of. Guess I need to lurk more.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:46 No.4222172
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>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:48 No.4222192
I recall seeing a comparision pic of Hulk during the ending of WWH and Broly.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:50 No.4222201
Hulk has super regeneration. Broly does not.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:51 No.4222217
Broly can fly, but can he breath in space?

We've seen Hulk jump into the atmosphere and fight things on a space station, so he does have that going for him.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:54 No.4222247
He can, that's how he and his father escaped the exploding Planet Vegeta.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:55 No.4222264
Is Goku there? Gohan? Goten?

If you cannot answer yes to any of the above, Hulk instant-wins.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:56 No.4222268

>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)22:56 No.4222269
I question the ability of both Brolly and the Hulk to have their powers grow forever. Surely there must be a limit.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/22/08(Thu)22:57 No.4222282
Broly > Hulk, sorry to say.
Even though Hulk is infinitely stronger than Broly, that's all the Hulk has.
Broly would be faster and while not strong enough to do any damage (or at least anything noticeable) he could still do something like use ki to blow him into the sun.
Broly cannot breathe in space, by the way, but he can create a shield around himself which lets him survive in space.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/22/08(Thu)22:59 No.4222303
Hulk has no limit.
Broly has a limit. Broly is not even a Super Saiyan 2. He is just a Super Saiyan 3rd Grade or Ultra Super Saiyan.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:00 No.4222323
How doesn't the Hulk have a limit?
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:01 No.4222327

Well, the OP does say that Broly has SOME reason for super-anger at Hulk. Theoretically, let's say that Little Hulkie took Goku's place in history, so all the anger directed at Goku is at Hulk instead.

Beyond that, since Broly's isn't based on just anger, he doesn't necessarily need to be angry to keep growing stronger.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:02 No.4222344
and now we have a "does Hulk really have a limit" thread on our hands
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:02 No.4222347
in after Trevor
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:03 No.4222351

How does Broly have a limit? He's the Legendary SSJ. The whole reason they beat him wicked fast is because his power just keeps growing. It's not a level thing like SSJ1-4 or anything, it's something completely different.
>> you are a retard anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:04 No.4222364
how much dick do you suck??
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:04 No.4222368
a great Trevor is here, let the thread decend into shit now
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:06 No.4222385
Broly is a villain.

Therefore, Hulk wins.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:06 No.4222391
Didn't the last legendary super sayain explode asplode because his body couldn't handle the strain?
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:07 No.4222403
I wonder if they'd be able to shatter the Earth with punches alone.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:07 No.4222406
He's never been shown to have one. There's not really an upper limit to how pissed of he can get, and so there's not really an upper limit to his strength.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:07 No.4222411

True story.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:07 No.4222413
Bruce banner -> Hulk 10 seconds?

Broly -> SSJ 20 minutes

Hulk wins
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:08 No.4222422
But just because it's never shown, that doesn't mean the Hulk doesn't have a limit.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:08 No.4222427

He went to 2.

and this.

Also Broly is lunatic so he's either going to fight Hulk head on, or he's going to blow up the sun or earthand shield himself.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:08 No.4222433
How 'bout that guy Thanos got the Power Gem from?

He did just that.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:08 No.4222434

I wonder how that's a measurable thing. pissed off can someone be? Can normal people be infinitely pissed but gain no power from it?
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:11 No.4222465

Or instantly once he has that control crown off.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:12 No.4222475
don't rage have a limit? you can't be always pissed off, unless you're Mr.Stubborn.

I guess somebody didn't see Broly returns.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:14 No.4222489

This. Broly has to continually release energy so he doesn't explode. It's why he throws those ki blasts and sometimes just shoots that shit out like steam.

In a fight with the Hulk, it'd pretty much be equivalent to (as Broly keeps powering up) landing an extra blow with the strength of "a million exploding suns" behind it.

Also, speaking of power blasts, Broly has ranged attacks. That...could be bad.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:17 No.4222510
I'm guessing Broly doesn't start the fight with the mind control tiara, right?

I'd say Broly. He can destroy a planet on the other side of a galaxy, and does so for laughs.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:17 No.4222512
After a few blows Broly would just pick up Hulk and throw him in deep space.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:17 No.4222515
I thought he was doing it for fun.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:20 No.4222545

I'd...almost like to see that.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:20 No.4222546
Broly's power level was already over 9000 the day he was born!
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:23 No.4222574
Broly, because if he just tries to finish the fight quickly.
Hulk still needs time to rage up. so the fight would be over in a couple of seconds really, whoever gets to their standard super power state first.
can we agree on that?
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:23 No.4222580

Half and half. If you watch how he does it, it's actually kinda...interesting, as far as fighting styles go. He doesn't shoot from his palm like almost everyone in the DBZverse. He wings those things underhand or overhand like actually throwing shit. Also, he kinda just chucks it in that vicinty and never makes concentrated ki blasts. Most of his shots are simply a lot of blasts at once in a big spread.

Also, he almost never punches. All his hits are with the sections of his arms or legs. He only uses his hands to grab faces.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/22/08(Thu)23:23 No.4222594
Moron. You're wrong. He shows the exact same signs as Trunks did when he went USS2, namely:
1. Spikey hair that is spikier than regular SS hair
2. Stronger aura (not made of lines, but of bolts of energy, like Trunks)
3. Huge gain in muscle mass (like Trunks)
4. Lack of pupils (like Trunks)

Broly was just a USS2. A powerful one compared to the other Saiyans, but a USS2 nonetheless.

Goku is the legendary Super Saiyan, by the way, because there IS no legendary Super Saiyan. There is a legend about Super Saiyans, but nothing else.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:26 No.4222621
They can say all kinds of shit about Broly. He's not even a canon character. Just something they made up for (at least) two movies.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:26 No.4222624

...did you even watch the movie. He doesn't bulk up because he's a dumbass like Trunks, he bulks up because his body continually builds energy. Non-stop. Never-ending. Until the end of time.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:26 No.4222626
There is no known limit to his strength, meaning that it's possible there is no limit.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:27 No.4222628

But he sure is fun.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:27 No.4222641

Man, Trevor really does ruin threads. That's what I get for giving him the benefit of the doubt. =/
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/22/08(Thu)23:28 No.4222657
Yup. Then why don't Goku or the other Saiyans have that happen to them? Vegeta states that Saiyans have infinite potential when it comes to strength, yet they are the same size.
Based on the proof, Broly is a USS2.
He likes to showboat. That's all.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:29 No.4222668

>Just something they made up

It's okay guys.. he's just something they made up.
>> Mr Horse 05/22/08(Thu)23:31 No.4222690

Now why have we never made a fuss of "he helps the people"?
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:36 No.4222758

...because he's the Legendary Super Saiyan. His body doesn't work the same as the other Saiyans.

So how come as the battle goes on, he gets stronger and not weaker? When in SSJ Saiyans get weaker until they power down and can only remain SSJ for a limited time. If that were true, Broly would've also gotten weaker, not stronger, as time passed. Broly didn't get weaker. Watch the second movie as well. The dude has no limit to his SSJ-ness.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:41 No.4222817

Truth, nigga could stay in that shit all day.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:42 No.4222840
Even 8 year old Markus knows that his power is maximum. What the fuck are we talking about here..
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:44 No.4222872

This. >>4222758

You have a pretty good argument, but Broly doesn't slow down or become GENERALLY WORTHLESS like the Ultra Super Saiyan stages do. He just speeds up and gets stronger.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:46 No.4222892
Little known fact: The rest of DBZ is actually a documentary.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:47 No.4222906

Broly never hit SSJ2. He went ultra, but not 2
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:48 No.4222912
Broly, hands down.

Hulk has limits. Broly does not.

No sense of self-preservation, either.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:51 No.4222954
Brolly never went ultra, level 2 or otherwise. He was super saiyan 1 the entire time. He just has no limit to how strong he can get. His power is indeed maximum.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:52 No.4222963
You're missing the point.

Broly has a base form, basic super saiyan, and a final super saiyan stage that is entirely separate from the ordinary progression stages.

It does not slow down like USS or USS2 does. It does have an immediate spike in power similar to each progressive stage of the super saiyan, but instead of leveling out or decreasing as time goes by, it continues to scale UP.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:53 No.4222972
How is it that Broly is actually kinda cool?

Dude shows up in 2 non-canon movies, does nothing but really say "Kakarot" and gets huge and destroys shit. Normally, shit like that in comics/anime (Doomsday, other big/huge strength guys) get frowned upon. But Broly is generally un-frowned upon. Whyzat?
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:55 No.4223003

I dunno.

Since they're movies, they have very little time for super-charging up. So it's just impressive that Broly doesn't even really have to do that, it just is an automatic thing. That and as someone mentioned earlier, he has a really weird fighting style.

Also, the fights in both movies are pretty cool. We're not expecting too much from DBZ. Just cool fights, and both of Broly's are pretty durned cool.
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:55 No.4223005

Because he's nucking futs? Thats my reason...
>> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)23:55 No.4223012
Because that's the entirety of DBZ.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)00:01 No.4223068
When you make something very simple, and don't muck it up by overcomplicating it, it can be good.

Broly is insane, super-strong and beats shit up. You...really don't need much more than that.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)00:02 No.4223073

I like him because he mostly just pummels shit. There's few beam attacks, and practically no "zwee"-fighting at all. He just brutalises everyone with clotheslines, grapples and the scenery.

Also, the first film has none of that lining up to take turns fighting like happens so often in DBZ. Broly takes on Goku, Gohan, Trunks and Piccolo's co-ordinated assault without breaking a sweat.

In the second one, he wears Trunks like a little hat.

I like Broly because they had to cheat to beat him. In the first film he didn't take a lick of damage or pain until Goku used his plot-godhax at the end of the movie, and in the second one they had to use the dragonballs to beat him, when he was still injured from the fight in the previous film.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)00:04 No.4223106

So much this.

For the first time in anything, everyone attacks at once. And they STILL get housed.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)00:05 No.4223118
Hey, if Hulk wants an easy win, put him up against Bio-Broly.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)00:09 No.4223149

Low-blow! Disqualification!
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)00:20 No.4223272

I merely speak the truth.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)00:59 No.4223708
Broly hands down. He blows up planets
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:05 No.4223789
So can Vegeta. Way back when he was introduced, at a recorded canon power level of 19,000. It does not take much to destroy a planet.
Try again. Or I will break DB down and show you just how strong Goku and Vegeta are at the end of the series.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/23/08(Fri)01:09 No.4223826
lol you're a fucking moron.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:10 No.4223836
Oh, Trevor. Why don't you go and bother /v/?
>> parabolic000 !!HfL9M9xslOG 05/23/08(Fri)01:10 No.4223839
dude. you're an idiot. going to put him on your list now? goddamn, I hate you.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/23/08(Fri)01:10 No.4223842
Did you know that Freeza, whose powerlevel was over 120,000,000, tried to blow up a planet and failed? lol, stupid people these days. I bet you think Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, don't you? lol, fag.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:10 No.4223846
Good argument dude. Rock solid, I don't see how he can refute it.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:10 No.4223847
If you were really a DB expert, you'd know that Vegita destroying the planet before arriving on Earth was a filler episode and thus non-canon.

No one single-handedly destroys a planet until Freeza blows up Namek 100+ episodes later.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/23/08(Fri)01:12 No.4223860
And even then, Freeza said the blast would disrupt the core and take a while. He did NOT blow up and take apart all the mass and turn the planet into an asteroid field right then and there.

I love you. You love me. We're a happy family. With a great big hug and a kiss from me to you, won't you say you love me too?
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:12 No.4223866
And Piccolo blows up the moon, in seconds worth of charge, back when his power level was somewhere around 700-2000. What's your point?
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/23/08(Fri)01:14 No.4223885
That the moon is 1/80th of Earth's total mass? DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Besides, it may be even smaller. DBZ doesn't take place in our universe.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:14 No.4223890
Lets not forget Roshi struggled and did the same for the moon in Dragonball and he had maybe 200 for a power level back then.
>> Jason Canty 05/23/08(Fri)01:15 No.4223912
moon has no active core to absorb that "low level" ki blast.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/23/08(Fri)01:15 No.4223913
Yeah. So why don't planets explode when people shoot random beams all over the place in the Cell/Buu Arcs? DOI. Because you are stupid, that's why.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:16 No.4223921
Still supports my claim that it does not take much to destroy a planetoid, planet or large land mass.
>> parabolic000 !!HfL9M9xslOG 05/23/08(Fri)01:17 No.4223938
what is doi?
you're underage b&, or the dumbest tripfag I've ever seen.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/23/08(Fri)01:18 No.4223940
I don't have the time to de-moronize this thread now... it's getting late. I proved that Broly would win and that DBZ characters are weak. Just read all my posts in this thread. I win, you lose. Thread hidden.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:18 No.4223952
Because you are confusing their power level for strength. As it stands, any blast that did not destroy the world, by you standard of using Frieza, had to be weaker than the blast he used on Namek.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:24 No.4224023
Okay, time to fill in what I said.
I will be using Marvels scale of power, 0-100, in terms of strength to make it simple. We will start with Goku, training with King Kai.
He started off at 10x earth gravity, and struggled for a bit before adjusting. His weight, according to the manga with his weights on, was 220 lbs. 10x that is 2200. At that point in the series, he could lift 1 ton in weight, putting him on the max human scale of strength. Not that much really.
>> Trevor !!qsVpFXaydzm 05/23/08(Fri)01:25 No.4224037

Anyone who posts after this message is automatically a moron and will be auto-added to my list of dolts.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:25 No.4224039
So an Everlasting fountain of Energy that is for all purposes, untrained and fights in a brawler mentality, vs an Everlasting fountain of Strength that recently was forced to train againt people who could beat him.

Norm vs Norm, Broly can probably win, but with WWH, its not even a fight. They cancel each other out in raw power, and it comes down to a gladiator vs a street fighter. Hulk will actually do the smart thing down and break arms and legs to win the fight rather then classic "hulk smash"
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:27 No.4224054
Goku again, on his way to Namek, trained up to and including 100x earth gravity. His weight still 200-230, he could press 20 odd tons, putting him equal with Spiderman at his limit.
>> kagato23 !OQbgWvDEcY 05/23/08(Fri)01:27 No.4224059
That was his power level at rest. And his Kamehameha was much stronger (in efficiency, not overall power) then Goku's was. I'd argue that his powerlevel was a lot higher then that.

But yeah, even a baseline human could become able to kill the planet. If hulk got the DBZ training from hell, he'd quickly dwarf Broli or anybody else with his Gammaki.
>> parabolic000 !!HfL9M9xslOG 05/23/08(Fri)01:27 No.4224062
the fact you have a list of idiots, and that it somehow includes people who post as anonymous, is baffling. posting just because the list shows just how much of an underaged retard you are.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:33 No.4224138
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>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:34 No.4224155
I thought you were hiding the thread? Continuing on, will skip to the end.
Vegeta did enhanced gravity training, to the tune of 400-430x earth gravity. He went past that and nearly killed himself, making about 440 his max limit being able to stand, much less fight. At this point in the series, he was stated as being equal to Goku in terms of strength, with his traing weight being about 120-130 lbs. That equals 52500, taking average weight and gravity, or 50 odd tons. He and Goku could press a maximum of 50 tons at their reasonably recordable peaks.
This is not including their SSJ transformations, this is them at their base strength, disregarding red herring "power levels". They were middling level Marvel strength, half of the Abomination, the standard 100 strength.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:34 No.4224158
Power level of around 100-200: Sufficient to destroy a moon with charge time.

Power level of 300-400: Sufficient to destroy a moon casually.

Around 20,000, it's plausible to destroy a planet with charge time.

At 1,000,000 or above, accidental planetary destruction is possible with a high enough yield attack, such as a full-power kamehameha.

However, regardless of the power level involved an individual must TRY to destroy a planet in order to actually do so -- except for Kid Buu, nobody casually uses attacks that can destroy planets.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:37 No.4224189

Broly is non-canon. He doesn't fucking exist. Goku is the legendary Super Saiyan. Broly is a fucking fanfic villain.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:39 No.4224207
enough with this /a/ shit
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:40 No.4224213
bump for sagefaggots
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Dunno, but I name Will pics "stellaofwinksclub#.jpg"
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:42 No.4224231
Last I was aware, didn't Toriyama have a hand in the movies and stuff? Like working on the designs and ideas...I mean, he approved pretty much all that stuff...

So in a way, I would think he's considered canon...
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:43 No.4224234
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/co/ - Power Level Debates

Talk about something more interesting, like Goku teaching Superman kung fu and beamspam.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:43 No.4224239
Oh shit, someone with sense.
And to include the SSJ transformation, all available information points to it creating an increase of 4-5x physical strength initially, and petering of as additional levels are added usually +1x their base power. So SSJ4 Goku has a strength of 400 tons, give or take around 30 tons. That does not put him on equal standing with Superman, who is readily recorded at 600 ton press.
All of this compiled from official information released by the respective authors and franchise owners without the need to place any group on a pedestal over another.
So eat DB whores, your people are not as strong as you think.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:47 No.4224264
Saving all these to troll /a/ one day. The nerd rage is so good I can taste it already.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:48 No.4224278
Wait, there's actually official DB info on blowing up planets? Last I knew there wasn't anything like that. Those numbers just sound made up.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:49 No.4224288
Not blowing up planets, this is their base physical strength, irrespective of power levels given in the show. This is recorded from what they did, both in the anime and manga, where appropriate.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:51 No.4224308
And this applies to Broly how? He's not like the other saiyans so who cares what Goku's capable of or not. Not to mention judging power based on blowing planets up is just stupid. So Broly can blow up a planet--good for him. It's not a good way to measure his power, but why do we even need to? We already know he's insanely out of the league of the story characters.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:51 No.4224309
Official guide-books place SSJ Goku's power-level at 150 million circa fighting Frieza, with his base at that time being 3-million.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:52 No.4224315
hulk wins
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:53 No.4224324
Remember boys, you too can help ban trolling assholes by using the report button!
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:55 No.4224343
And I said, this isn't based on power levels, this is based on their actions and accomplishments during the anime and manga itself. The power levels have just proven themselves to be a plot device past the introduction of the Ginyu Force, because the numbers just don't make sense with what they can DO.
And for that matter, the official RPG released back when the series was still not old as fuck stated Frieza's power level was around 4 million and Goku 4.5 million. I would honestly like to see this book you speak of so I can verify this bullshit.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:57 No.4224351
Official numbers on characters end at the Frieza story arc, around 1.5million as per Goku and Frieza's power levels.

100-200 is where Master Roshi sits, which we know from the beginning of the series when he was scanned by Bulma. We know he can blow up a planet.

300-400 is the range that Goku and Piccolo sat in -- we know Piccolo could casually blow up a planet.

20,000 is ROUGHLY where Vegeta sat at the height of his power in the saiyan saga, and he CLAIMED to be able to blow a planet away.

I am generally inclined to believe that he could, since 20,000 is a tremendous leap from the casual moon-destroyers of 400ish, and the attack he claimed would do this was unusually slow even for DBZ if I recall correctly.

1,000,000 is my estimate on 'accidentally' blowing up a world, since it is much more than 20,000 and...

Because that's what Frieza could do. In all likelihood it actually comes much earlier than that, since Frieza's first form was the one that casually destroyed Planet Vegeta.

I should further note that Frieza more than likely had this sort of casual planet-destroyer because he was quite capable of SURVIVING this sort of an event, even when dismembered and near-powerless.

The only reason his deathball on Namek took so long is because he did it on the fly and after fighting for ages, IMO.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:58 No.4224358
Yeah, the power levels got pretty meaningless. They were punching each other through mountains in the Frieza saga, and by the Buu saga, they're supposedly thousands of times stronger, but being punched through mountains still has pretty much the same effect. If they were really that much stronger, at that point you'd think they'd walk through mountains like a regular person walks through fog.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:58 No.4224359
Indeed, I myself could have sworn they weren't that strong - maybe it all has additional zeroes?

Back when I was underage b& and watching the Buu saga's first dubbed broadcast with bated breath, I knew where to find this shit, and I also remembered that 100mil+ powerlevels didn't show up until the tail end of the Cell Saga.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:01 No.4224386
Is it me or are these /a/ psuedo-invasions a result of the fact that our sad obsessions are working and their's aren't? I saw those Dragonball shots. Roshi is not pimp.

Stark? Stark is pimp.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:02 No.4224395
By word of mouth, Toriyama ditched the power-level counts in the late Frieza Saga to avoid dealing with the plot constraints they imposed. Fans will guess, but they're only guesses.

My Korean copy of the manga on my bookshelf suggests that Frieza was not interested in getting himself killed by the planet's explosion, which his ability to apparently survive in the vacuum of space did not cover.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:04 No.4224407
Thankfully there are not too many DBZ dick-suckers here. I hated listening to their kind spout off like Goku was more powerful than Yehweh, Jesus and Buddha fused with the Greek pantheon.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:04 No.4224408
You're probably right on that last bit. Either way, we know he's capable of it -- and pretty casually, even in his low-powered forms.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:04 No.4224412

And Roshi is half-comic relief, half-awesome old man, and not-at-all pimp. If this were /a/, your "pimp" remarks would probably have incited a flood of shitty shoops that I don't want to talk about.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:05 No.4224420
Only /co/ could have made a discussion about DBZ and keep me intrested. Good job.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:06 No.4224427
Like the t-shirt I bought three years ago?
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:07 No.4224436
Because this didn't turn into DB circle-jerk. A bit of honest dissection of a series is nice sometimes.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:07 No.4224439
Night-time /co/ is awesome for nerds like us.
>> Trevor2.0 !5/BESTsJWA 05/23/08(Fri)02:07 No.4224441
>> sage sage 05/23/08(Fri)02:07 No.4224442
The rage inside me right now is fucking maximum because of this thread.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:08 No.4224453
Search "school days" on, and it will answer your question.

I personally recommend you not do this unless you can't ignore curiosity.
>> TheMuchBetterTrevor !3RP5NQ1fbg 05/23/08(Fri)02:09 No.4224456
I'm afraid I have to disagree Trevor 2.0. The Hulk has super regeneration and limitless strength. The longer the fight would go on, the stronger the Hulk would get.

On the other hand, Saiya-jins do get stronger after every time they lose, so I suppose if the Hulk didn't tear apart Broly, it would be a tough fight.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:09 No.4224465
I lol'd, at your post. It was maximum.
>> FatTrevorAKATheRealTrevor !SnOKTTpBPs 05/23/08(Fri)02:10 No.4224467
Personally, I think I would win. I'm 6'9" and 300 pounds. My power is far beyond maximum, and my strength is more limitless than that Hulk's.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:10 No.4224468
I don't know much about DBZ, but it seems like Broly would win because he has a shitton more powers than Hulk. I mean he has Hulk-like strength plus he IMACHARGIN'MAH LAZER.
>> Trevor'sSister...Trevor !FN0brYWzjg 05/23/08(Fri)02:10 No.4224473
I'm going to have to say that my big brother would win. He's tough!
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:12 No.4224496
the hulk would win , easy.

The Hulk power is constantly growing , he destroyed a planet with a punch , needless to say he destroys the world they are fighting on and he would survive while broly would die , and speed isnt everything Sentry is fast and he got punches in the hulk but it only made him stronger then the hulk knocked his ass out , 1 punch thats all the hulk needs to kill Broly
>> SugoiTrevor !Lx6/VN3vYY 05/23/08(Fri)02:12 No.4224499
Broly clearly is the winner here. He can go Ultra Saiya-jin, which gives him more power, but he's slower. He's still faster than the Hulk in this form.
>> TrevAKAUltraCoolHip90'sTrevor !6Jp/EXWAA2 05/23/08(Fri)02:15 No.4224541
Well dudes, I'm going to have to agree with Trevor 1.0. Broly would win hands down. Ki blast to the sun.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:15 No.4224542
this reminds me of the Darkseid VS Goku discussion from yesterday. Trevor coming in and SHARING his superior DBZ knowledge and calling everyone else idiots.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:16 No.4224551
That one guy coming in and telling Trevor he was fat sure showed him good. Man, that guy was a hero.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:16 No.4224553
might i add to my post that the hulk is smarter than broly.Insanely smarter than him.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:17 No.4224569
Wow, beforehand, I had no knowledge of this Trevor (a infrequent guest of /co/). Now I can't stand him. The epitome of tripfagism.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:17 No.4224575
hulk wins
>> Evil Lord Proteus !Pf61BYvMqU 05/23/08(Fri)02:19 No.4224587
Brolly is filler. He doesnt exist. I dont think Brolly could destroy Hulk with an energy blast. I dont care if he did blow up a planet instantly qwith a tiny microsopic little blast he charged instantly(lol filler) if the good guys could stand up to it Hulk sure as hell can.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:19 No.4224590
On the subject of Broly vs. The Hulk, which I never got around to:

Broly's got a better balance of combat ability, but he'd never actually be able to DO ANYTHING significant to the Hulk before the Hulk built up enough strength to kill him.
>> Rovert !.7UBEfCtGw 05/23/08(Fri)02:19 No.4224595
Oh come now, you guys love my mirror image. He's so smart.
>> Anonrevor !WaruMMOeso 05/23/08(Fri)02:19 No.4224596
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>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:21 No.4224615
You're a bigger faggot than Trevor. At least he actually stays on topic and brings something to the table. What have you done? This is probably your first post in the thread, and you're calling someone a faggot. Way to contribute.
>> ClassicTrevor !!Oo43raDvH61 05/23/08(Fri)02:23 No.4224631
Remember when I didnt make these shitty threads and I just posted Awesome Thanos Comics.

Classic Trevor rmembers
>> Evil Lord Proteus !Pf61BYvMqU 05/23/08(Fri)02:24 No.4224641
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>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:25 No.4224650
Even if Toriyama ditched numerical measurements of power levels, you still get comments like "He's thousands of times stronger than Cell ever was!" or "He's far stronger than anything I've seen before!" Yet the fights didn't seem all that functionally different in regards to being punched through mountains, size of craters left by attacks, etc.

My point is, it seems like at a certain point, the increased strength levels stopped really making that much difference.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:27 No.4224664
well. in buu saga earth was beaten a lot before kid buu finished the job. 1/3 of the world majin buu blew up with kamehamaha. During gohan's fight ball of energy went through whole planet. there was a difference.

and during kid buu fight they were on gods' planet. much more resistant than earth.

anyhow. DBZ characters are thousand times physically weaker than supermen, hulks etc. but they can shoot nukes with their fingertips, lift stuff up with mere ki and use energy beams/balls to send stuff away from earth.

there wouldn't be much of a fight. either hulks gets a clean shot at brolly and rip him to pieces
or brolly shoots huge green ball obliterating hulk
or sends hulk to space with some greenish energy beam.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:27 No.4224668
And thusly all my posts are vindicated. Thank you.
>> Evil Lord Proteus !Pf61BYvMqU 05/23/08(Fri)02:32 No.4224714
i dont recall them ever saying he was stronger than Cell. Cell is way stronger than Brolly...
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:36 No.4224753
This is an important point, DBZ characters are much less focused on direct use of physical strength than Hulk or Superman. So even if Superman can lift more weight, that doesn't really mean he can do more damage than a DBZ character.

It's a little like a knight versus a mage, they attack in different ways, and whoever gets their hit in first probably wins.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:42 No.4224803
The problem with that is durability. What is their durability when it comes to direct blows? As it stands, they are still flesh and blood. Yajirobi sliced Vegeta clean thru his armor and flesh with no problems at all, Yet also showed Raditdz catching a rifle round.
Throwing ki blasts is usually held of on in DB because it is literally their life enrgy they are throwing away, meaning if it doesn't work they have wasted stamina better used later in the long haul. Assuming that a foe will hold off and allow someone to build up an attack powerful enough to one-shot them (idiocy), ki spam is far more dangerous and risk heavy than what most people give thought to.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:43 No.4224810
I didn't mean Broly was compared to Cell, I just mean that with each saga, they indicate the new badguys are relatively far stronger than the last one. Yet the dynamics of the fights don't change that much.

For example, Goku punched Freeza against mountains, it seemed fairly painful. Two sagas later, where the comments indicate that the strength levels make that power level small-time, Vegeta is punching Goku against mountains, and it seems to hurt. But if they are like, exponentially stronger, Vegeta punching Goku should just push Goku through that mountain like, well, less than cardboard. My best explanation is that at some point, more fighting power stops adding to physical strength all that much. That would explain the mountain conundrum.
>> Silverhawk Anon 05/23/08(Fri)02:44 No.4224817
but... Brolly's power is maximum!
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:45 No.4224825
Bullshit. The series didn't turn into that until the Buu saga. All other fights throughout DB & DBZ were brawl heavy.
>> Evil Lord Proteus !Pf61BYvMqU 05/23/08(Fri)02:46 No.4224836
oh ok. Cos im pretty sure Cell is way stronger than Brolly. Cell's final power was so far ahead of everyone that it was mind boggling. Gohan had to go SSJ2 to take him out, and when Cell came back, he was even stronger and nearly killed Gohan.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:46 No.4224838
Hulk wins because Hulk is a hero and Broly is a faggy shallow anime character with no character development beyond "More power, he's stronger, I see you've been training again for the 10,000 time."
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:46 No.4224839
Yes, but can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)02:51 No.4224869
Sure, they punched a lot, but the finishers were always energy attacks. And if they were going to destroy a planet it wasn't done via punching or kicking. I'm not saying the DBZ characters are physically weak, but unlike the Hulk, they hurt most by using energy, not their fists.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:09 No.4225100
if he is punched through mountains with greater force. it will still hurt. it is like cutting metal with water.
>> TrevorForever !imXmV3NWL6 05/23/08(Fri)03:25 No.4225265
I would like to point out at this stage that Hulk doesn't actually need time to power up. If Broly had infuriated him before the fight, as OP states, Hulk would begin the fight very angry and thus very powerful. Refer to World War Hulk, where he arrives and immediately kicks the shit out of Black Bolt and Ironman (one of the more powerful Marvel characters at that time).
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:31 No.4225306
In the Buu Saga scene I'm thinking of, Vegeta has Goku pinned against a mountain and is pummeling him. This is one of those scenes where Vegeta was briefly at or near the top current power level and feeling awesome. Anyway, if two sagas ago, they punched people through mountains, and now, it's two cycles later of multiple "OMG UNIMAGINABLY POWERFUL COMPARED TO THE LAST GUY" jumps in power, Vegeta punching Goku hard while pinned against a mountain should push Goku right through that mountain like it was jello.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:33 No.4225324
Broly can't regenerate Hulk wins
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:35 No.4225340
Broly is a fucking alien of course he can breathe in space. Any Saiyajin can.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:35 No.4225343
Just reiterating, power level in Dragonball Z isn't an accurate reflection of a character's physical strength, as witnessed through what shall henceforth be called the Mountain Conundrum.

An increase in power level simply means an increase in the amount of nukes a person can toss around. Their bodies are still bags of meat, and they are still JAPAN IS SUPERIOR.

tl;dr Hulk beats Broly shitless.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:37 No.4225366
Broly has no fucking upper-limit cap to his power. He doesn't go by Saiayjin levels. His power merely rises at a steady rate.

Besides, you're comparing someone who obliterated a fucking galaxy to a being who, at his worse, could level entire cities before injected with a very powerful sleeping drug.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:38 No.4225370
You are a very stupid person.
>> Outfoxies !DzQ30gROc6 05/23/08(Fri)03:38 No.4225375
Weren't Kid Trunks and Goten basically fucking around with Brolly in that one movie? Also Legendary Super-Saiyan is only like halfway between regular SS and SS2. Holy fuck why do I know these things.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:42 No.4225399
You're wrong again.

The Legend of the Super Saiyan is a tale of a Saiyan who achieved such great power that he was feared throughout the cosmos. Eventually, from utilizing all of his power, the strain on his body was far too great and he imploded.

That's the legend. A being of such great power that every entity in the known universe will tremble in fear as it breathes let alone inhales. Broly was born with an incredibly high power level. Feared as a potential threat, he was to be killed. His father intervened with a direct order from the King, was charged with high treason and executed on the spot. Or whatever.

Anyway, Broly, who, as an infant, takes a fucking blade to the belly not only survives but forms a fucking force field and drags his dad from the exploding Planet Vegeta.

Stop posting, Trevor.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:43 No.4225410
Broly is the motherfucking Legendary Super Saiyan. Bulking up is a means to release his energy. Since his power grows at steady intervals, his body would need enough mass to harness it.

Stop fucking posting.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:44 No.4225425
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the hulk is green. he gets stronger. what is the source of the hulks strength? broly and such know there limits.

but. my friends. what truely is limitless?
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:46 No.4225434
Frieza's power level was fucking 12,000,000. Where are you getting your information from?

And he failed to destroy Namek by his own means because he blind-sighted by a fucking Spirit Bomb.

Shut the fuck up, Trevor.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:47 No.4225438
Center it at the fucking planet and there'll be a complete difference.
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>> Outfoxies !DzQ30gROc6 05/23/08(Fri)03:49 No.4225456
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Guys guys, can't we all just agree on the greatest DBZ villain of all time?
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:50 No.4225461

Try again.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:56 No.4225514
The only thing worse than being a tripfag is being a tripfag and arguing with other tripfags.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)03:59 No.4225530

you're an idiot. i'm not even reading the thread past're too dumb...
>> Obs !3GqYIJ3Obs 05/23/08(Fri)04:04 No.4225549
It's really sad just how in depth this debate has gotten considering it's fucking DBZ

All of you seem to be forgetting about the speed element. The first English dub said that Raditz was "faster then light." Almost every fight after that they can't be seen by the naked eye.

Also, let's not forget the plothax that ki energy eventually became. It could stop things, trap things, cut, create matter, tear through the fabric of reality, power up physical blows, sexually gratify a woman, and of course the classic blow shit up.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)04:05 No.4225559
>>Also, let's not forget the plothax that ki energy eventually became. It could stop things, trap things, cut, create matter, tear through the fabric of reality, power up physical blows, sexually gratify a woman, and of course the classic blow shit up.
>>sexually gratify a woman.

goku fucks your mom, dad, girlfriend, sister, and dog like no one else!
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)04:56 No.4225800
You forget one thing hulk has: poor writing. No Opponent of the Hulks will ever use any speed they have against him. Otheriwse they might win and the Hulktards will rage
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)05:00 No.4225815

Hulk is smart. Very smart. If someone is faster than him, he'll eventually think of a way to negate their speed. Not like the can klll him in the mean time.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)05:13 No.4225867

No they just won't let a less popular character beat him. Spider man or captain America can dodge him all day, but put him against Gladiator or the silver surfer and he grabs them out of the air

Gladiators so fast that when the fantastic four and Thor were sped up millions of times he still kept pace with them using his superspeed.

Although when Stan lee wrote SS and the Hulk fighting, hulk was unable to even touch him.
>> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)05:17 No.4225890
Brolly STARTED out weaker then SSJ 2 but the powerup he got from nearly dying from the first fight boosted him past SSJ 2. He had to be killed by a SSJ 2 Gohan and SSJ Goten plus hax from Goku.